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馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

2007-04-22 02:57迴響:85點閱:12855

馬加爵,198154出生,來自廣西農村,雲南大學生化學院生物技術專業2000級學生,大四那年畢業之前,他用斧頭錘殺四名室友與同學,然後將屍體藏進衣櫃。馬加爵最後的下場是被槍決。槍決那天,是二零零四年六月的某一天,那時候同學都要畢業。

趙承熙,19841月出生在南韓,1992年小學3年級時隨父母移居美國,就讀維吉尼亞理工學院英文系,大四那年畢業之前,他用槍枝連殺三十二名師長與同學,一共發射子彈兩百枚。最後趙承熙以同樣那把槍,飲彈自盡。自殺那天,是二零零七年四月的某一天,再過不久同學都要拿到學位。

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維吉尼亞州的南韓學生殺人案令我想起:雲南大學貧困生的連環殺人案件。

馬加爵,從廣西的農村第一次來到昆明市的雲南大學讀書,一天以兩個饅頭度日,過年甚至沒有錢坐最低等的火車車廂回家,長期受到同學的嘲弄形成反社會性格。在即將拿到學位的過年前夕,他用斧頭砍殺了室友與同學,之後逃亡廣西街頭,隱沒在菜場與垃圾堆裡面,最後馬加爵在乞丐群中被發現,披頭散髮渾身是泥。他拒絕任何免費律師的辯護,直接被處決。

為什麼都沒有人問為什麼?兩種截然不同的環境卻招致一樣的結果。
馬加爵事件震驚了全中國,各方面討論包括急速擴大的貧富差距、農村人口進入城市的不適應性、貧困生的社會心理處境,一一浮上檯面。

趙承熙的仇恨筆記上,寫滿了「有錢人的孩子」、「放蕩」以及「騙子」等詞句。
馬加爵則是在處決之前的獄中寫了一首詩,說明了關於貧富與歧視的一切。

"you caused me to do this."
在維吉尼亞州的南韓學生這麼說,我想雲南大學的馬加爵也會這麼說。 (待續)


還沒有時間深入分析,先附上一些延伸連結:

1. 馬加爵在監獄中穿上了他這一生中穿過的最好的衣服——囚服。
他說:「這是我穿過的最好的衣服。」

2. 馬加爵在獄中寫的詩

3. 馬加爵供出殺人的真正原因 拒絕律師為其辯護

4. 馬加爵案引發思考:貧困學生需走出心理困境

5. 誰是馬加爵現象的幕後黑手?——中共

(quote)
根據北京青少年發展基金會所做的調查,北京高校中,月生活費不足200元的大學生可視為貧困大學生,不足100元的為特困生。按照這一標準,貧困生目前佔北京高校在校生總數的15%以上。

貧富差距在宿舍這個小環境裏體現得淋漓盡致。來自福建的盧林就將其宿捨得7個人劃分為四個階層:實現小康生活的(兩位同學的父親都是老闆),溫飽向小康邁進的(三位同學來自普通知識分子家庭),解決了溫飽問題的(一位同學來自條件還過得去的農村家庭),而他自己則是"在饑餓和溫飽線上掙扎的人"

城市生活也給貧困生以衝擊。貧困大學生多數來自農村,他們進入大學首先要接受的是城市社會化過程。但城市本身和城市學生給了他們疏離感。"沒錢我可以通過家教來補。但農村和城市巨大的文化差異,始終讓我感到孤獨。我如何用力也無法融入。"一位農村學生真誠地對記者說。

時間流轉到1990年代後期,校園風景變得化很大:有人開著私家車上課,有人卻僅靠兩個饅頭度日。而校園裏城市學生和農村學生的隔閡也更多地顯現出來。

 

911到趙承熙

http://pots.tw/node/1425

 

二十一世紀的仇恨、精神疾患,與一個人的恐怖主義

http://pots.tw/node/1427

 

我們所居住的世界充滿了人類自己畫出來的邊界

http://blog.yam.com/sabin/article/9657051

 

我們需要一場思想的不流血革命

http://blog.yam.com/sabin/article/9664260

 

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引用:http://blog.chinatimes.com/sabin/archive/2007/04/22/160213.html
2007-04-22 02:57作者:彤雅立分類:我城,她城迴響:85點閱:12855

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re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

May I ask, do you guys have any kid in college?
the discussion becomes odd, very odd.

Dr. T

2007-04-24 23:30 Dr. T

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

男孩子是不是應該從小訓練他們打架?像馬加爵的例子,
最後的導火線是3個人誣賴他詐賭,這要在美國西部電影了已經
可以拔槍了,沒有槍那也要掀桌子大打一架。也許打完架就沒事了
也不一定,總比最後玉石俱焚這個結果好。一方面氣也出了,
一方面自己名譽也保住了。

2007-04-24 21:40 skyland

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

thanks for all people's discussion here. it's a very good thing when we are all care about it and see this from different points of view.

i wrote an article in my blog as response
"我們需要一場思想的不流血革命"
http://blog.yam.com/sabin/article/9664260

to patrick:

gosh, what a terrible cooicidence...

2007-04-24 17:38 紙莎草

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

紙莎草:

You wrote this on May 2, 2005 in "自閉症兒童" (http://blog.yam.com/sabin/article/5218487#comment8916144):

「小朋友,來,給你十塊錢。說說話!」

And this is from a NY Times article about 趙承熙 (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22vatech.html?pagewanted=2&hp):

"A classmate once offered him $10 just to say hello but got nothing."

An eerie coincidence.

In this cruel world, I'm buoyed by your (and Newanda's) 慈悲心.

2007-04-24 15:12 Patrick

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記


>>>
我希望能看到比較迂迴 沒那麼功能性的"偽陳述"
我希望能從更抽象 更遙遠的角度去看這件事情
看這個或許在紀捷克口中所謂的"the real real"的事件
能帶給我 帶給我們的生活怎樣的改變

theo :

先為了弄錯你的意思說抱歉 ...

你上面這段話就表達得很棒 相信很多人也有這種企望
但是我也相信這不是短時間內會出現的 要耐心點吧

我還相信全世界在討論這件事 或沒有參與討論但在心中
思索這這件事的人 也是在試著解決自己心中的震憾 困惑
從一個層面講 就是大家很可能是藉此幫助自己 跨越那種你用"癱瘓"
來形容的感覺... 何況不論是否"蓋棺論定" 對趙承熙和那 32位被害人
都無所謂了

2007-04-24 09:01 paris

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

Patrick and 無責任館長,

I guess we focus too much on the wealth of the Chos. However, the issues of class derive from many aspects such as wealth, race, and gender. I am more concerned about how these factors affect our society--Taiwan. I do care for Americans, but I care even more for our own people in Taiwan. That said, you should see that there is a considerable number of imigrants in Taiwan. I am trying to link the Chos' situation to our society. Then, the debate got heated and went off the course of comparing it Taiwan.

In the U.S. there are laws like GI Bill and the great Constitution to champion people's rights, regardless of their imigration status. Unfortunately, if I'm not too ignorant about what's happening in our Legislative House, imigratition law is still in its infancy. Maybe you have noticed that the birth rate of Taiwan just reached a record low last year. This means our imigrant-rejecting atitude, imature imigration laws, and super low birth rate are both socially and economically hurting our country.

It is awkward to say that we have an imigration issue since everybody looks pretty much the same. This actually indicates that the issue is most likely going on unoticed. And, perhaps, in the worst case, the issue is manipulated by politicians without the public having enough knowledge about it. Cho's case should be deemed as an alarm to Taiwan. And, we should do something before the race/ethinicity issue gets too complicated to handle as it is in the US.

2007-04-24 03:45 Newanda

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

Newanda:

Indeed, I used Zillow.com, I even put a link to it.

When my family first moved to U.S., we lived in the Tenderloin district of San Francisco, so I know a lot of the real estate market in the area. And since I keep note of how far I had moved up since than, rather than tracking how far away I am from being able to afford a house on Russian Hill/Pacific Height, I feel blessed rather than resentful toward the world.

As for how they can tap into the equity in their house. There are many modern financial instruments, such as reverse mortgage, home equity loans, refinance while taking out some equity for cash, etc. If you are in the Bay Area, it's pretty common practice. I don't think it's wise for most people. But the means are out there.

他的家庭也許不算有錢 但是不算窮
Anyway, it's not that I think the Cho's are wealthy, but I think I demonstrated that they are far from abjected poverty either. I would say Chos' wealth put them into top half of all Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/national/20050515_CLASS_GRAPHIC/index_01.html

It's quite common for middle-income people, especially immigrants, to talk like they are very poor. Especially if one usually notice wealthier people, and people who are truly poor are just invisible. 人不知足 錢多少永遠都不夠

Usually such whining are just self-deprecating and harmless. But for unbalanced individuals like Cho, some may actually believes it and act out on it, with tragic consequence. That why I don't think it's wise to emphasis Cho's false self-pity or victimization. The problem wasn't that his family is that poor, but a common middle-class entitlement mentality. Sometime one have to knock self or others out of self-pity and gain some prospective. 人在福中不知福 他的問題不是他家真的很窮 而是太多中產階級有的 entitlement心態

2007-04-24 01:15 無責任館長

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

Paris:

妳誤會我了拉
我指的不是當事人的作品
我希望看到的是文學界或其他的創作領域
(電影界的朋友們 可以晚點就晚點拍阿)
對於這個事件的思考
用理性去描述跟理解"非理性"有他一定的限制
但是我不是說這些各種科學的分析沒用
而是那些採取的都是由外而內的研究方式
大家雄辯滔滔的對當事人提出看法與證據
就是讓我覺得好像史家在蓋棺論定的感覺
我希望能看到比較迂迴 沒那麼功能性的"偽陳述"
我希望能從更抽象 更遙遠的角度去看這件事情
看這個或許在紀捷克口中所謂的"the real real"的事件
能帶給我 帶給我們的生活怎樣的改變

當然這只是我個人自私的看法
或許是最近我又重溫了雷奈還有畢卡索的格爾尼卡跟夜與霧
chris marker或娃達的一些紀錄片
日本人許多導演一系列反省東京沙林毒氣事件的多部電影
還有一些相關的文學作品的關係
(但唐謨那邊就有提到科倫拜跟大象兩部電影)
才搞得自己搞不清楚現實的跟比較重要的事情!?

2007-04-24 00:35 theo

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記


theo :

與法國媒體藝文界友人討論到這件槍擊案
除了美國媒體心態 美國文化中暴力氾濫這些常談泛談外
也提到了趙承熙的"表達慾"

他英文系課堂上的作業 他的日常態度與造型(這和他的
錄影帶 照片一般 同樣是一種宣言) 甚至 很難過地說 他的
整個殺人行動執行 都是他特殊病態的"表達慾"下產生的"作品"吧

但是 sorry to say this : 這些"作品" 內容單薄
製作簡陋 除了反映對暴力 疏離 仇恨的執迷外 有什麼具形而上探究
聯想的"內文"能引人做進一步的追索呢 ?

暴力有暴力美學 而有些精神病患的確有似乎無窮盡的內心世界引人捉摸
但是不知道相關調查單位是否保留一些資料沒有公佈 因為以我們至今
能看見的來說 趙承熙這個個案可能達不到這一方面的研究價值
(而這裡多人說該幫助他或像他這樣的個體心靈
可是"幫助" 牽涉到 "專業" 並不是一般有心人就可以去做的事...)

我覺得很重要的一點 :
趙承熙已經成年
他並不是像美國其它大部份校園槍擊案的犯案人只是十幾歲的青少年
在法律上 他自己的責任義務相關也更複雜
and he failed...
而這也可能使現在討論得到的 可以在大部份系統中
執行的防範之道 會因為觸犯"妨礙成年人個人自由"這個前提而無效

這是自由社會的代價囉 對活著的人來說 借CNN新聞標題的話 就是
有時碰巧正好在 wrong place, wrong time 吧

2007-04-24 00:12 paris

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

沒想到還有人記得馬加爵,我倒是掛念著他的家人....

2007-04-23 19:01 Tina

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

Newanda,

Just saw your latest message and wanted to add:

1. They probably borrowed money from relatives and friends (maybe even used the Korean version of "會"?) for the downpayment on the house.

2. I think the parents' combined income would not be high enough for the tax rate to be a significant issue.

3. Thanks a lot for speaking out and showing that you care for the weak and vulnerable. As much a fellow bleeding heart as I may be, I would probably have remained silent if not for your lead.

2007-04-23 17:06 Patrick

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

無責任館長,

1. A growing home equity does not automatically translate into a windfall in disposable income -- especially for a low income family.

2. From a NY Times article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/us/22vatech.html?hp):

"In 1984, relatives who had moved to the United States invited the family to join them. It took eight years to get a visa. In 1992, they arrived in Detroit and then moved on to Centreville, Va., home to a bustling Korean community on the fringe of Washington. They found jobs in the dry-cleaning business and worked the longest of hours. Dry cleaning is a favored profession among Koreans — some 1,800 of the 2,000 dry cleaners in the greater Washington area are run by Koreans — because it means Sundays off for church and sparse need for proficient English, exchanges with customers being brief and redundant. The goal, of course, was to own one’s own business. But it did not happen for Seung-Tae Cho. He began as a presser — an 8 a.m.-to-10 p.m. job — and that is what he is today. His wife worked in the same capacity until a few years ago, when she accepted a job in a high school cafeteria so the family could have medical insurance."

To the extent that what's said in the article is all true, the last few sentences indicate that: Until a few years ago, a) both parents might have been working up to 14 hour a day, six days a week, and b) the family did not seem to have medical insurance. Not exactly a wealthy family, wouldn't you agree?

2007-04-23 16:46 Patrick

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

無責任館長,

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華盛頓郵報 報導 他家1997年花十四萬美元買了房子

我調查的結果是現在市價應該在三十七萬到四十五萬之間 扣去頭款及付了十年的貸款 他家只算房地產淨值 資產就可能超過新台幣一千萬
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Good job! I give you one for that.
I have to admit that I was being lazy and didn't do my homework.
Speaking of real estate, I live in SF, so I know something about housing market here. If I guss it right, you probably used Zillow to do your research, right? Anyway, in accounting concept an estimate profit on assets cannot not be realized until the assets are sold. The Chos' house might be worth $37,000, but the fact is they are still paying the loan and continue living in the house. When one looks at a piece of real estate property, he should also look at the average living expenses of the area as well as the kind of neighbourhood the property is in. A 2000-square-foot house in a OK neighbourhood in SF might worth $800,000. So, what you are comparing is based on the incomplete info. Plus, the chos haven't sold their house, so there is no money made so far. Moreover, comparing the profit they might make to another country's income level is not a sound way to conduct an argument, either.

As for the tax issue, different states have different tax rates. 40% is a figurative speech to emphasize that Americans do pay more taxes than we do.

Lastly, you ask that how the chos could afford to buy a house. The answer is in the tax laws. In the US, when someone buys a house, spendings, such as interest and building improvement are deductable from income tax. My friend here used to pay $1,500 for rent. After he bought a house, he is paying $1,800/month. If there is a small difference between your rent and your house payment, which one will you choose?

Again, whether the chos are rich or not, we are all arguing in the manner of hind sight. Yes, I am disgusted by the cold-blooded murders. In goodwill I hope that our argument can be constructive to prevent the same thing from happening again. That is my true concern.

2007-04-23 16:37 Newanda

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

無責任館長,

Good research. I really admire people who make honest efforts in seeking and presenting/interpreting the truths.

With all due respect, however, I think you seem to have missed one critical point: 趙家 in all likelihood was indeed too poor to afford speech therapy and other necessary treatments for 趙承熙 WHEN HE WAS STILL A LITTLE BOY and when such care, if rendered, could conceivably have improved his chances of fitting in and developing into a more normal person. Yes, the family's financial pressure might have eased in recent years, but that's probably a little too late to have done 趙承熙 much good.

Was 趙承熙 a jerk? Does he deserve any sympathy? You are entitled to your opinions, and you know where I stand.

2007-04-23 15:00 Patrick

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

單獨經濟 社會 或心理甚至宗教上的分析
我覺得都解釋不了這種現象
就像911給我的感受一樣
整個有關真實的認知覺的癱瘓

我期待文學跟藝術從事者
甚至文化研究者
能對這件事情有所回應

2007-04-23 12:56 theo

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

Out of curiosity, I went to Zillow.com to find the estimated price of his family's home based on the Washington Post information.

http://www.zillow.com/search/Search.htm?addrstrthood=Truitt+Farm+Drive&citystatezip=Centreville%2C+Va&GOButton=

The houses price estimates ranged from $345,000 to $448,000 US dollars. They paid $145,000 back in 1997. After you consider down payment and mortgages had been paid down for 10 years, their equity should range between $250,000 to $350,000.

The poverty is in his soul, not in reality.

華盛頓郵報 報導 他家1997年花十四萬美元買了房子

我調查的結果是現在市價應該在三十七萬到四十五萬之間 扣去頭款及付了十年的貸款 他家只算房地產淨值 資產就可能超過新台幣一千萬

I am not saying his family doesn't deserves those wealth. His parents certainly worked very hard and sacrificed a lot for it. And real estate is all about being at the right place at right time. Maybe they had took out a 2nd mortgage on the house to pay for his sister's tuition at Princeton, but there should be plenty of equity left to pay for therapy for him.

But sorry, Patrick, the more fact I learned about this jerk and his family, the less sympathy I have for him.

2007-04-23 12:41 無責任館長

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

"When everybody is responsible, nobody is responsible."
如果人人有責 最後會變成沒有人負責

Newanda;

'那麼你說趙家早期在美國過的生活相對貧窮嗎?不 是絕對貧窮

在美國這絕對是苦力還要繳四十趴的稅'

If one is truly "low income" in U.S., there is no way the family will be paying 40% of income in tax, even include regressive tax like FICA. Even if their combined marginal rate reach 40%(which would mean one have a middle class income), that incomes are taxed at lower rate first(deduction, 10%, 15%, 25%, 28%, 33%, 35%).
如果真的很窮 不會付那某多的稅

去看了Washington Post 的報導 他家1992年移民 1997買了房子 有多少國家可以讓沒有特殊一計之長的新移民 白手起家 在五年內買的起房子

Fairfax county, VA 在華府旁邊 他家買了十年 漲的不到 三四倍 也絕對有加倍 這樣的背景 算是窮困嗎 美國社會真的有對不起他家嗎

他是比上不足 比下有餘 要忿忿不平 說這個世界對他不公平 真的輪的到他嗎

2007-04-23 11:54 無責任館長

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

每個人都應為此感到遺憾及哀傷


然而仇恨則是必須被停止的


用關心和溫暖對待週遭的每一個人


也許可以讓這樣的個案不至一再發生

2007-04-23 10:50 拔剌

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

Everybody's discussion is valid and legitimate, most of all
interesting.

Don't forget Cho, although not psychotic, is a psychopath,
mentally ill, he is normal in everyday life, but snaped at
critical moment; how can one reasons with mentally ill?
early and appropriate medical treatment is what he needed;
too late for him, but not for those potential time bombs.

Dr. T

2007-04-23 08:33 Dr. T

re: 馬加爵與趙承熙的仇恨筆記

莎草:

謝謝你來我的網站留言

就我看來
趙承熙的不滿不只在於貧富差距
他對於世人的詬病
並不只是侷限於 "財富" 上頭
而是更擴大到 "道德" 方面
在加上他因為宗教的緣故
導致今日的悲劇
比較詳盡的分析
都在我網站上的文章中了
相信你已讀過

不過這當然也是我一人的分析罷了
相信不同人也會有更多解讀

Vincent D.

2007-04-23 03:00 Vincent D.
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