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38歲不能是處女嗎?

2005-09-04 22:31迴響:45點閱:34678

   鼓勵婦女同胞定期接受婦科檢查,從公共衛生的角度來看,可以達到預防勝於治療的效果,不過要女性卸下私密的衣褲,躺在冰冷的婦科診療台上,對於從小被教育要保護身體隱私的女性,是極為不舒服的一件事,看看接連兩則婦產科醫師因內診導致患者處女膜破裂的案例,真不知道往後該如何推動與勸說女性要定期接受檢查?然而更重要的是,怎麼會發生這樣的事情?只要沒有性經驗,或是宣稱自己沒有性經驗的女性,婦產科醫師都應該避免從陰道進入做內診的動作,除非有特殊需要。「詢問有無性經驗?」決定檢查的方式,是最基本的訓練,這裡想要釐清的是,究竟是哪一個環節出了問題?

 

   兩年多前的案例,合議庭最後裁定,醫師是在病患的同意下進行內診,惟內診前,沒有詳盡說明內診方式及使用的器械,只能說與患者溝通不良,醫師未盡說明義務,與其醫療行為結果導致的傷害,沒有直接關係,且內診造成患者處女膜破裂,也屬業務上正當作為,縱然有未盡告知義務的疏失,仍不算執行醫療業務的過失。

 

  對於沒有性經驗的女性進行內診,醫師沒有疏失?拜託,這是婦產科醫師基本的訓練,內診前的詢問動作都沒有做,這怎能說是單純的醫病溝通不良?

 

  最近的這個案例如出一轍,醫師沒有詢問病人,就做內診,而醫師表示,她先以手指觸摸患者的外陰部,由於病人並沒有退縮,她以為病患有過性經驗,所以進一步用內診器,沒想到,竟演變成糾紛。就這樣,這名守身如玉38年的女性,把第一次給了內診器械。

 

   第一個重點是,有多少婦產科醫師替患者進行內診的時候,曾詳細解釋過何謂「內診」?可能的傷害或是副作用為何?國人的健康教育課程中,從來沒有告訴女性,婦產科的內診會有什麼樣的動作,平時就羞於啟齒詢問生殖器官問題的女性,多半都是「接受內診之後,才知道什麼是內診」。不要說女性同胞不知道,就連醫學院的學生當了實習醫師之後,才「見識」到內診的過程。

 

  內診區分為兩類,沒有性經驗的,從肛門進入做檢查,為的就是避免造成女性處女膜的損害,稱之為肛診,但超音波盛行之後,這項檢查逐漸減少;而有性經驗的女性,則從陰道進入,稱之為骨盆腔檢查,醫師會使用俗稱鴨嘴的擴陰器撐開陰道,去觀看子宮頸和陰道壁的狀況;然後用一指或兩指伸入陰道,放在子宮頸後方,將子宮向前頂,另一手放在下腹部向下壓,如此可檢查子宮頸、子宮、卵巢等骨盆腔狀況。

 

  醫師示意病患躺上診療台的時候,可曾向從未內診過的病人說清楚?為何這種不清不楚就進行的侵入性檢查,女性同胞從不抱怨?

 

  美國女性接受內診之前,護士會花上510分鐘的時間解釋檢查過程,並回答所有疑問,之後才上婦科內診台。

 

  反觀台灣,醫師總是以病患太多,醫師或是護士根本沒時間為由,告訴我們不可能向病患解釋清楚內診的過程,換個方式,是不是可以在診間放置內診的衛教單張?需要內診的女性,先了解何謂內診。

 

  第二個值得觀察的是,這兩個案例都是女醫師,許多女性都想要找同性的婦產科醫師,可以避免尷尬,但因同為女性,是否也忽略了婦產科應該有的「基本訓練」,男醫師做內診時,害怕被控告性騷擾,會有護士在一旁「佐證」,女醫師可以獨當一面,缺少護士多一道關卡的提醒,這也可能導致醫師忙中有錯。或是她們都犯了「同性的忽視」?佔了同性的優勢,卻忘了婦產科醫師該有的謹慎小心?

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re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

Dear 熊子:

You are so sweet. You don't have to apologize,because I am old enough not to feel uncomfortable......haha,I am irritating you again.

Since you mentioned my another message left for other article,you 'd find that I only make comments on the articles(and authors) I enjoy. I won't waste my time and energy to those I dislike(but being attacked is another thing).

Anyhow,I love your style. Nice talk to you. This is a good example of web-miracle,especially to an elderly like me.

2005-09-05 23:03 yc554018

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

To YC
Thanks for clarifying your point.  If I have misunderstood what you meant and in turn, expressed myself in a way that may have made you feel uncomfortable, you have my apologies. Sometimes it's easy to be mislead by words that aren't spoken.

I agree things aren't that simple.. and that's the dire truth. However I am not a doctor that works day to day under this situation and therefore may only be able to see it from a patient's point of view. I still feel, however, there are things that can be done, if only enough people feel strongly about it.

But anyway, thanks for your 2 cents.

* * *
There is not much I can say about that cynic mr. (or ms.) know-it-all who still keeps yapping, though. Life's tough on everyone and (duh, nobody lives in Utopia - surprised you missed the sarcasm), but that much negativity can't be good... you aren't the only one who has it hard, ok? And REALLY, learn to lighten up a bit. You're reading way too much into the issue... who the heck was talking about cost or slaving the physicians? Sigh. Blah, whatever. You may not be able to choose the life that's given to you at birth, but you can at least frigging choose how you want to feel about being alive, everyday. That's the way I see it. If you don't like it, you can shove it up my a _ _. Have you been seriously wronged by the so-called "dreamers" ('cause you sure seem upset) or are you simply psychologically unstable to carry a reasonable debate without losing it? Get a life or something... UGH.

2005-09-05 22:27 熊子

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

內診與處女膜的迷思? 劉競明

國X某婦產科女醫師與病患因內診疑似傷害到處女膜,而遭病患家屬提出告訴要求醫師道歉並要求賠償新臺幣五百萬元?站在醫師的立場,筆者對此事件兩造的因果關係未能完全瞭解?只是遺憾為何年年均有類似事故,究竟是兩造因醫病溝通不良?或者醫師的態度不夠「關懷」或具「同理心」則不得而知!

西醫與中醫的不同,其中之一為:西醫較多侵襲性的身體檢查。因為西方醫學為求科學儀器檢查與實驗診斷,常常會進入人體某些器官。譬如說咽喉、胃腸等,陰道內診檢查為西醫婦產科常見的檢查。又因為檢查時必須脫下衣褲,在某些國外醫院更要先脫除全身衣物,裸身換上輕便病服接受檢查;加上受檢時還要爬上檢查臺,兩腳張開,讓婦產科醫師用鴨嘴撐開陰戶,以便能觀察到子宮頸。 在視診之後,醫師還要用雙手及手指進入女性陰道內,觸診謂之婦產科「內診」。

一般而言,假如女性未婚或還未有性行為者,通常婦產科醫師會避免內診,不過有些醫師仍會進行視診,但不內診。處女膜只是覆蓋陰道入口的深紫色薄膜,中央或周邊有篩狀小孔,讓月經血流出,通常在少女初次性行為時,處女膜會裂傷及俗稱:「落紅」。正因為這些檢查都屬於身體極度「親密」的檢查,因此醫師倫理上有所謂婦產科男醫師若檢查女病患時,一定要有女性,最好是護理人員在場全程陪同,以免發生類似「性搔擾」或疑似性侵的行為?雙方各說各話、無法驗證?

國X或者因由女主治醫師看診,是否少了陪同檢查的醫護人員不得而知;或因婦產科女醫師門診通常患者較多,且忙碌之餘說話時的態度與語氣會稍為急促?而讓病患誤認為醫師不關心她?這些其實都是「溝通」的藝術。筆者不喜歡一診看太多的病人,這樣會讓看診醫師有壓迫感;反而會犧牲與病人親切的溝通與衛教之機會。也正因為筆者是婦產科男醫師,所以筆者的門診人數不必限號; 可以隨到隨看;對病情可以詳細問診、說明及處方;全程完全符合衛生署規定的「合理門診人數」!在健保總額下當看診成為生活的「一部份」時,婦產科醫師又何必那麼忙碌?不僅自己的身體健康重要,同時也可避免因看診人數太多、太忙,忙中有錯?忙與盲!事實上才是醫病關係惡化、醫療錯誤的主因矣!

在「性別主流化」的趨勢中,婦產科女醫師似乎於過去數年內逐漸取得了,各大院所婦產科的行政領導與管理權位,本亦為世界潮流之所趨;婦產科女醫師照顧女病患,即有其先天上較男性醫師為優的「競爭優勢」。女性的謙和、美麗、 溫柔、優雅、關懷等優點,假如沒有表現在看診行為上?假如連簡單的內診檢查, 都會使女醫師不耐煩;讓女病患因疼痛,而憂慮與恐懼?那麼此種「性別主流化」的呼籲與作為,至少在婦產科學界,將不再被病患所尊重!假如男醫師的看診表現較女醫師有耐性、細心、體貼、關心病患的感受時,婦產科的女病患又為什麼還要找「女醫師」看診呢?


2005-09-05 22:14 劉競明

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

Dear 熊子

I think you have a serious misunderstanding to my words. Since I know the author personally,I dared not to have irony to a famous reporter (and a writer too) in my field, like the Author.

I am merely telling my true feeling. I said that I encourage her to be a doc because I believe that with the author's special background, she will be much more influential to make a reform as an insider of the medical field, rather than an outsider. That why I emphasized "I know thw author personally",because I am confident on her.

I did not make any comment because I believed that the entire problems of the medical system are too complicated, and every brief comment would have its bias.

Thank you for your comments anyway,I always love to see a guy who still have boiling blood and consequently a sense of mission to the society.

2005-09-05 20:52 yc554018

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

熊子,

>*BTW, Caucasians, Blacks, Hispanics... they all get sick and go to see doctor when they have a tiny puny "cold"

My remark was directed towards those people turn up to a teaching hospital for a tiny cold. Can't you read? Or don't you know the difference between a hospital and a family doctor?

If a person's family members are always sick or even dying, can you expect him to work normally? And yet you expect doctors to do that. Yeah that's some empathy.

That's why I simply despise the dreamers. They have unrealistic expecations of other people, but you can never get them to practice what they preach. Pathetic bunch~

My point is very simple. You get what you paid for. That's life, even in Utopia.

2005-09-05 19:28 Clexane

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

To Clexane,

You can have the last word on this, 因為剛剛才看到你對別人的回信:

"醫師跟病人是該有適當的溝通, 但要求視病如親未免太不切實際了. 道德之士應該去考醫學系, 現在不是那麼難考了, 看看自己有沒有辦法每天都把每個病人當做自己的親人."

I'm speechless. Living in Taipei, I know we are far from a Utopia, but thank god you're not a doctor (I hope).

* * *
To YC -

I am not saying you're a bad doctor. Just don't appreciate the way you responded. Just because you're older doesn't mean other people's ideas are less valuable or less true. Same goes for your other comments in a different post. 倚老賣老... 有點糟糕。

2005-09-05 15:01 熊子

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

Clexane,

Still don't know what you're trying to say, because:

1. You're obviously an "expert" on 全民健保。 Good for you, WOO-WOO! I am not saying arguing, since the first post, about how what we should do with the healthcare system and determine its fate. So I am afraid if you want to debate whether 全民健保 should be there or not, you should pick the fight w/ someone else. AND -

2. I made it clear that I really don't appreciate the attitude of the person that made the post. THAT'S ALL. AND -

3. Yes maybe our system is not the best. I never said other countries are doing a much better job, either. All countries have their healthcare problems (budgets, waiting time, etc) and if you've lived elsewhere (US & Canada, e.g.) you would find that often you do have to wait for a long time to see your family doctors. But you do get a lot better attention and care, generally, when you are face-to-face with the physicians. I am just saying that medicare quality is not to be compromised, do you not agree? Also, sounds to me like you're saying because we asked for a System that we've ended up not being happy with, we are not allowed to do anything about it?

4. You assumed I wanted to pay less for visiting a doctor because of the quality that we are receiving. NOPE. never said that, so you're putting words in my mouth. I also am clueless at how we ever reached this part about cost. However, this is medicare that we are talking about, not a meal at the night market. We should at least get a reasonable medical service. Do you disagree? But hey, since you brought up the subject, maybe you're the one who's having a problem with paying too much.

Anyway, leave the debate on 全民健保 out of this case because it's tiring and if you've been reading all that I wrote, and yet all you picked up was "defending the system" part. Yes, like you said, "too bad." I am sure there are others who understand.

But, the sad thing is, I appreciate your knowledge and input in this matter. But your cynicism and pessimism are disappointing.

At the end of this, my point is: there are facts that go to show our healthcare system has a problem. the doctors aren't at fault, but the system is. We need to vote for a better medicare system or at least a better government to manage/run it.

You are saying: the ppl in TW are a drag. Asking for this, asking for that, and never want to pay enough. There, that's your medicare, live with it.

Ooooook. YOU WIN.

(*BTW, Caucasians, Blacks, Hispanics... they all get sick and go to see doctor when they have a tiny puny "cold", so your remark on the fragility of Taiwanese ppl is really distasteful and rude)

2005-09-05 14:41 熊子

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

熊子,

You accused someone of trying to defend the system, so I asked a direct question: why would a MD want to defend a system that most MDs in Taiwan are happy to get rid of? That's a perfectly logical response. If you can't see it, too bad.

I know only too well how the other countries run 全民健保. Ask 李光耀 how "efficiently" the UK hospital system treated his wife when she had a stroke. Ask a common Australian how many hours he expects to spend in a public hospital ED waiting room.

Indeed, even in these countries I have never seen a sane patient turning up to the hospital just because he has a common cold. But hey, Taiwanese patients are delicate. Theoretically a common cold could develop into a pneumonia. So when they feel unwell, they have to go to a teaching hospital. Yes, we need a professor of medicine to treat a running nose! Little wonder you couldn't get much time with your doctor. If the doctor got 8 hours but has several hundreds patients to see, how much time can he allocate to each patient? You do the maths.

The general public wanted 全民健保, so the government gave it, and imposed it on the medical community. The MDs never asked for this stupid system. If the taxpayers' think they did not get their money's worth, why don't they dump the system?

I can see your point though. You think we should pay less than what we pay for a car repair, but receive excellent care for our health. Yes wouldn't that be nice. Dream on.

2005-09-05 13:05 Clexane

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

38歲不能是處女嗎?

可以阿!!
只是比較憋而已

2005-09-05 12:27 done

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

To Clexane,

Thanks for your comment. But sorry to say, but I think you've missed my point, entirely.

A MD is a member of the System, undeniably. The taxpayers pay to fund the System. Now... it's clearly an issue where our medical system is not functioning at what it should be, given my and many other's joint experience.

When was the last time you visit a clinic? Nothing struck you as odd about the way each patient pays a few hundred bucks, gets ushered in like a farm animal, and then sent out within a few minutes and not feeling the doctor even actually paid attention to how they feel?

I am NOT saying the MD I directd my comment to is responsible for the problem, obviously, for he/she does not represent the System. I am sure the government has something to blame, too, but instead of doing that, I just pointed out that it was a shame the way our MD (YC) responded to the Author.

Don't you find it odd.... that a MD, who's already a member of the System, is asking someone (the Author) who is not a MD or in any way a health professional, to do something about it? Instead of saying something constructive, given his insider's point of view, YC has given no real opinions (which is not a big deal, by the way), but worse yet, the voice in his comment is unquestionably discouraging and pessimistic. I don't think that's what we need at this moment, the taxpayers.

Most of us here are still paying the TAX, straight and simple. We deserve to voice and demand what we want, even if you think these are just useless rantings.

Please remember TW is not the only country with 全民健保, but in the few countries I've lived in, I have never seen a system that is run this way. You cannot possibly imagine the disappointment one faces, simply by going to a clinic. This is a FACT.

Picture your loved one, or yourself, extremely sick, tired, and possibly cranky, going to see a doctor in the neighborhood and you get treated like that. Does it not break your heart?

Lastly, defending the system or not, how would you feel if you write to express your opinions about something unethical or unjust that has happened and yet all you get in response is a lousy "DON'T SIT AND TALK - GROW UP AND GO STUDY MEDICINE?"

I am sure we all want a better System. None of us can do it alone, obviously, and we may wish to start electing a better government to do and manage our tax dollars, and not sit here and try to put each other down. Regrettably, the MD's response is all that and nothing else.

There, my case is closed.

And oh, to answer your question, no, I do not know whether if the MDs would complain if our government scrap healthcare, but then again, that's really not the point here, is it?

2005-09-05 11:26 熊子

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

在台灣似乎類似的醫療糾紛層出不窮。民眾醫療知識不足,醫生忽略溝通細節,雖然媒體甚為發達、獲悉常識的管道也較以往多,但還有大家﹝民眾、醫生、媒體﹞都要努力的空間。

我曾於某家著名集團醫院做年度健康檢查,婦科需內診一項由一個女醫師執行。我原本以為同是女生,她應該會很溫柔,不過她是我遇到醫生裡,動作最粗魯、言語顯輕蔑的一位。

她的舉動不禁讓我覺得,是否我之前在小診所的那個醫生因為是男性,為免女病患誤會或有醫療糾紛,他總是在護士說可以了才進來診間,要做檢查如看一下有沒有其它發炎也會先說一聲。而非像那個女醫生,檢查時就因她動作大不舒服,診後還會痛。或者因為同是女生,她因此忽略女性內診其實是件很私密要注意的事呢。

這件事讓我後來再也不去那醫院做任何檢查﹝當然還有那女醫師說什麼摸到類似腫瘤的東西,眼科醫生說要立即開刀等等檢驗結果,我後來跑了其它醫院再檢查再確認卻一切正常﹞,也破了婦產科一定要找女醫師的迷思。

我個人認為不管哪一科,醫生的醫德非常重要,他/她有耐心細心也是重點。做為病患或病人家屬也勇於提問、主動了解,而醫生們也該就病人所需知道的範圍告知因應病情得做的治療方式,如阿莊所說的,我們病人要都知道,我們就是醫生啦。這樣起碼,彼此確保了權益,希望這些糾紛能夠越來越少。

2005-09-05 10:51 yoyo

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

熊子,

Why would a MD want to defend the present system? Do you think the MDs would complain if the government decided to scrap 全民健保?

2005-09-05 09:46 Clexane

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

Dear YC -
I see an irony in your "suggestion" and agree with Mao there for his/her statement that your mere comment was nothing but a prime example of your so-called "sit and talk" attitude.

First of all, I do no understand what fault you perceive from the Author's voicing out of the present medical issues in TW. You may have your own point of view, but so does she. Do I have to be a medical doctor or any health professional in order to see something is wrong with the medical system here in TW? No. After all, when was the last time any of you here went to a clinic/hospital and receive the proper care/attention that you deserve? I have personally lined up at a clinic for 30 min and once ushered into the physician's room, I received nothing but 2-min worth of diagnosis + treatment (this also includes the time I took to explain my symptoms).

And NO, I am not a doctor. I don't need to be a doctor to see that there's a problem.

The Author merely just voiced out a problem that I am sure many people experience everyday in TW... this is her right. To implicitly suggest that the Author has no "proper training" or "experience" to make such comment and YET make no actual recommendations that are useful or relevant from any point of view is simply absurd and embarrassing. I am sorry, did you say you're a MD? ............ :p

Further, in addressing Mao's comment, you again avoided the main question. Mao, very much like me here, simply wants to know what you initially said to "improve" this problem. Your answer to that was - "I am an MD, might be not doing well,but not talk only. And I know the author personally." I am lost for words... what does knowing the author personally have anything to do with this medical issue? I cannot believe this is actually uttered from the mouth of a MD. :(

You obviously are here to blindly defend the System, not to improve it.

Please read what you wrote again - I hope not all doctors in TW share your attitude.

* * *
To Author: BRAVO. ;)

2005-09-05 09:14 熊子

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

"not doing well"......> "not doing good enough",for my prior message

2005-09-05 08:01 yc554018

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

Mao:

I am an MD, might be not doing well,but not talk only. And I know the author personally.

2005-09-05 07:54 yc554018

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

醫師跟病人是該有適當的溝通, 但要求視病如親未免太不切實際了. 道德之士應該去考醫學系, 現在不是那麼難考了, 看看自己有沒有辦法每天都把每個病人當做自己的親人.

2005-09-05 07:19 Clexane

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

Dear all:
我始終抱持著同理心來看待醫療行為,
不論是從醫師或是病患的角度,
在跑了將近10年醫藥新聞之後,
我盡本分的提醒病患就醫的態度和權利,
提醒醫師注意患者的就醫安全,
我是個記者、病人、消費者,
這三個角色的動力支持我發表言論,
讓醫師和病患知道應該注意的問題。

更重要的是,
我不只是寫書提醒病人「如何活著離開醫院」
還到學校去教導學生正確就醫觀念,敎健康傳播,
並且在各處演說,
我會持續在自己工作崗位上傳達醫藥知識給大家,
當我聽到我的讀者告訴我,
因為我的文章或是演講、書籍,
而挽回他的健康之後,
我已經起而行做對大多數人有利的事情了。
感謝yc的建議。
謝謝Mau的留言,
也感謝阿莊讓我了解到,
有很多檢查原來都沒有被告知清楚,
不只是內診的問題,
有太多醫療問題需要我們關心改善。
大家加油

2005-09-05 01:22 全嘉莉

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

還是強調那句話 視病猶親 注重病患隱私 一次不要看太多病人

子宮頸抹片有些處女也想來做?

幸虧護士小姐及筆者事先都會問到 才為滋生事端

國內性教育不普遍 像筆者到初高中做性教育演講

反而大學院校就無機會 其實 "兩性醫學與健康管理" 為很好的一門通識課

在校開課的老師 往往沒有臨床經驗 婦產科醫師又太忙 誘因不大

其實好好的讓青少女瞭解自己 才能知曉如何當母親

親職教育的前提為基本的健康教育與兩性教育

內診所致的醫療糾紛似乎也只是"冰山的一角"罷了?!

當然病患未必要迷信"名醫"看診也是原因

假如妳給名醫看只有三分鐘 不能問問題

給樂於與妳溝通 樂觀 親切的醫師 不論其性別

願意給您十到二十分鐘 您會如何選擇呢? 看診有時還須"耐心"與"愛心"哩

2005-09-05 00:16 劉競明

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

yc, but your were sitting and talking, too. Is it enough you think?





2005-09-04 23:35 Mau

re: 38歲不能是處女嗎?

我看到新聞說,醫生看診的兩個問題
一個是問診時間太少
一個是病人太多
於是很多該注意的事就變得輕忽了
其實
有一句話醫生一定都知道,那就是
視病如親
如果把病人當成自己的家人
恐怕就不會這樣了

很多年以前我媽媽做心導管檢查
我想一定有很多人不知道這是什麼檢查
老實告訴妳我也不知道
一直到我媽媽被送進去前
我都以為是像做心電圖那樣
誰知道經過三、四個小時
醫生叫我們進去看電腦
才知道是扎一根管子
從大腿動脈進去一直到心臟
這是相當侵入性的
可是從沒有一位醫生告訴我們
告訴我們這個檢查有沒有危險

但是至少我知道
我媽媽在那次檢查後
身體的元氣就大傷
一樣的道理
醫生們不能以為我們病人家屬都知道
如果都知道
我們就是醫生了
不是嗎

2005-09-04 23:27 阿莊
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