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馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

2008-04-24 13:47 ｜迴響：54｜點閱：6122

四月二十三日，國民黨中常會後，一股低迷、不解的氣氛，瀰漫在國民黨的大樓中。

 

這一天，國民黨中常會安排由前交通部政務次長陳世圯到中常會，議程是有關兩岸七月「包機直航」還有「開放陸客」來台的專案報告。問題並不是陳世圯的報告出了什麼差錯，而是‧‧‧人不對！政策也不對！

 

會後，好幾位國民黨中常委圍過去「安慰」陳世圯，在選前，是馬英九要陳世圯負責匯整馬英九的「愛台十二項建設」、「兩岸直航」、「陸客來台」的各種細部計畫。既然新的交通部長毛治國已經出爐了，要怎麼去落實？當然是毛治國要向馬英九與劉兆玄去負責。

 

四月二十三日，國民黨幹嗎要讓「局外人」陳世圯去報告呢？馬英九又怎能不告訴國民黨，暫停這樣的不合宜。

 

更何況，毛治國還在美國返台的途中，將來要執行的當然是毛治國，幹嘛要讓陳世圯「越俎代庖」？既然交通部長不是陳世圯，陳世圯所作的「政策規畫」又算哪根蔥？

 

國民黨要知道的，當然是毛治國的規畫才對。幹嘛要「浪費」大家的時間，去聽一個「局外人」的演說？這就是國民黨許多中常委會去「安慰」陳世圯的原因。陳世圯又能多說些什麼呢？他也只能苦笑著自稱，老了，功成身退，等到見到毛治國，將計畫轉給毛治國。

 

但講得更難聽一點，國民黨又有什麼資格，要新科交通部長毛治國非要照著當事人缺席卻通過的「專案」去執行，這是陳世圯的政策，國民黨背書，難道毛治國就要接受這樣的「以黨領政」嗎？更何況，劉兆玄當然可以「訓令」毛治國，不必買帳！

 

那時候，是馬英九對，還是劉兆玄對？是毛治國有理，還是陳世圯才對？

 

當選了，就要停止競選了。真的，馬英九更該把心力好好去管理與籌備未來大局，魔鬼藏在細節裡，不要輕忽了每一個細節所帶來的不恰當與傷害。

 

當然，國民黨會邀陳世圯去談「交通政策」，恐怕馬英九也是丈二金剛摸不著頭緒，但身為全民所託付的領導人，一切都該有肩膀扛起，馬英九該和吳伯雄去溝通﹝或指令﹞。而這種莫名其妙的事，也許不需要馬英九親自管，但也該放在心上，讓一切不合理，不要再發生了，免得總是這些無謂的風風雨雨，這段日子，氣走了詹啟賢，讓蕭萬長手足無措﹝常常一人枯坐會場低頭、沉思﹞‧‧‧總有一天，和馬英九原本是肝膽相照的劉兆玄，會因為一大堆不細心，搞到彼此有矛盾，也可能會總統與閣揆「肝膽俱裂」！這可不是台灣之福‧‧‧

 

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回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Jack,
Wrong: I think you probably didn't work in real high tech. I see more and more key engineers or VPs are Chineses.
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Another talk without walk. I cried when I was at SUNNY at Bafulo because I did not need to study in US if China is my motherland. After working on several successful high-tech company and produced several commerical products in US. I cooked my own company now, unfortunately. Not very successful now.

After visiting Chin dynasty tota cada site (china first emperor), Chin dynasty can build so precise weapon back two thousands year ago, Why do not the modern China still live in modern life style? Here are conclusion:
1. So many Chinese like you. Do not know what you're talking. Talking all the time.
2. No Competition. Each dynasty comes, kill the previous dynasty. No more competition. This was done by KMT in Taiwan.
3. When people wants to compete,they kill them.
4. European, their kings have competition. If my king does not do the right thing, I loaded my weagon, I'm out of your control. So, western world keep on progress. Poor China emperor still enjoy his 2000 women.

you give me billionare reason about China, chinese, ... etc. Hey, I really do not care.
Want bet? Chinese is still a low class people before you and I die.
Maybe, they will be a better people, but it will not happen during you and I life time.

Maybe, I go to see y lord early, then I can ask for giving china a better life without those DAMN chinese cutlure.

period,





















2008-04-27 05:29 ｜ period

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Wrong: Chinese is 2nd class people, they is good for labor work.
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Depressed Jack,
I think you probably didn't work in real high tech. I see more and more key engineers or VPs are Chineses. Yes, real VPs in US companies. This is really a quite stupid subject to response. I just saw few Chineses discussing something on this newpaper's blogs. There is no name calling or discussing each other's organs at all. I bet Chinese comes to our Taiwanese site probably will be cracked up. Just copy-paster few sentences for you to compare. I bet they are in their late 30s. I don't know you but I am embarrassed myself.
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西方誘中入拉美(Latin America)依附模式
(造食 vs. 找食 的經濟模式!)

美國人走了一條"造食"即自主發展的道路，結果是曾讓歐洲人最瞧不上眼的美國人，經過三百多年的奮斗，竟成了后來歐洲人的保護神。
　　早期美國人的奮斗歷史有值得我們中國人學習的方面。与蔣介石時期的中國、尼赫魯時期的印度相反，美國走的就是自主型資本主義市場經濟發展道路。美國人根本不信英國人宣揚的"自由貿易原則"。華盛頓在就職的當天，特意穿著國產布料制成的服裝，這意在告訴美國人怎樣才能夠促進本國的福利。杰斐遜也注意到：美國商業和海運業的最大障礙就是英國的海上霸權。英國工業品充斥美國市場，在一定程度上制約了美國的經濟命脈，他認為，不發展本國的自主工業，等于使美國"永遠處于外國和不友好人民的附庸國的地位。

　　蔣介石時期，中國的GDP發展得也很快，但中國卻因"發展"而不能"發展"。那時中國走的是拉美(Latin America)式的依附模式，不是英美式自主資本的發展模式。這种模式的生長前提是國際資本和買辦資本賺大頭，民族資本賺小頭，最后犧牲的是工農。印度的經濟結构与此類似，是依附型發展模式，除政府壟斷外，印度几乎沒有多少自己的民族市場。有人說西方是想讓中國放棄社會主義，走資本主義道路。我說"不完全正確"。西方人實際上是想讓中國走拉美式的"找食"即依附型資本主義，而不是歐美式的" 造食"即自主型資本主義道路。美國南北戰爭的實質是美國要走自主型的資本主義道路并為此与歐洲霸權發生沖突。退一步講，即使中國真要走歐美式的自主型資本主義道路，与美國當年面對的形勢一樣，西方人，尤其美國人是不會讓中國人輕輕松松地去選擇自主道路的。在這方面，俄羅斯就是活生生的例子。

當前國際競爭的焦點不在勞動權，而在財富分配權　
　　這些歷史經驗，對今天的中國人尤為重要。對中國未來最致命的并不是敗在戰場上，而是被誘入"拉美模式,外加一個紅利 -- 分化少數民族. 這樣便
永不得翻身.

而解決這個問題僅靠將"世界工厂"引入中國和使勁干活是不行的，要在目前國際財富和稀缺資源分配中，有足以補償中國為世界所做的勞動貢獻的份額。我們用自己本已十分稀少的資源和辛勤勞動為世界提供了丰富的產品和龐大的市場，但當我們的資源已使我們的發展難以為繼，從而需要更多的資源進口的時候，西方人就說 "中國威脅"。這就不公平了。干活吃飯，這是天下最民主的道理。可就這樣一個簡單的道理，放到中國人身上就不行了，西方的"自由貿易"理論的"普世性"就忽然不見了。
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老美怕中國崛起的主因---中國中上IQ 的人多, 約三億人口.
任何一個國家, 中等以上IQ人口 佔20~25%, 是國家的主力. 而從事高智力工作的大概只佔全國0.3~0.5%. 中國人多, 制度又有效率, 這就是中國崛起的主因. 以22% 來計算, 就相當於全美國人口(i.e.三億). 而中國從事尖端高科技人口的合理估計就有1/4 的全台灣人口(i.e. 600 萬), 比任何TMD 都好. 1989 年後, 以美國為首
的西方技術不再輸入中國. 但並未減緩他們現代化的速度. 這就是証明.

研究科學在需要智商的同時更需要洞見(insight)和耐心(patient)，相信這三個因素都是形成智慧不可或缺的，故最終決定一個人成就大小的不是聰明程度，而是他的洞見和耐心的綜合。現代天文大師霍金的智商，和愛因斯坦一樣高，160。可惜他們兩人在大科學家中不算高，牛頓同學的智商高達190，和牛頓一樣高的是天文家兼數學家拉普拉斯(Laplace)，比他們高的有：數學家帕斯卡(Pascal)，195；而歌德(Godel) 更達到可怕的210超人智商. 教授的平均智商和CEO們是一樣的，是最高的，在112－132之間，高于醫生、作家、電腦專家和工程師，后者是第二高的群体，在108 －129之間。所以，當我們說文科傻大姐時，千万要弄清楚她是不是作家，如果是作家，與教授在伯仲之間。因為寫作，是一件需要高度創造性的工作。
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美國除了打西藏牌之外,也
扶助印度大象圍堵中國熊貓:
為了戰略需要及圍堵中國, 美國全力扶助印度阿三,
包括了核彈, 導彈, 雷達等先進技術. 太空資料分享, 但效果不佳.
即使把全部資料放在面前,還是沒法度, 教不會.
但印度教授在做純理論時會搞R&D papers, 數學艱深, 美各大學都有他們的影子. IT 軟體出口佔世界至少30% including MS out sourcing).
中國專家全面綜合才能很強(i.e. inter discipline skills among different academic areas)　中國把自己的才智用于很多方面的融合。對于在1艘護衛艦上同時可以出現來美國，俄羅斯，法國。瑞典等國不同形式，類別制造机制截然相反的裝備。在對于中國人來說。他們都能很好的應用，結合在一起。而印度主要是以“購買，全部購買”為為原則。在自行研制基礎上，印度遠遠落后中國至少30~40 年。　
　以下是一個歐洲瑞典專家在觀察多年的評論:
　中國可以吸納几乎全世界任何國家的軍事技術，而且他們可以把這些技術成功的應用在同一個單位上。例如中國1艘軍艦，可以安裝俄羅斯產反艦導彈，瑞典技術的近防速射武器，法國形式的指導雷達。通信。美國技術的反潛設備。　
在技術吸納領域中國就像一個黑洞。他可以吸納包括光線在內的全部的物質。在1993年中美聯合試驗發射衛星之際，前者，美國邀請中國專家進入參觀。后期中國發射的新的衛星技術上，很多外觀与美國設備相似的產品出來了。這使得美國感到十分不滿。后期，在發射美國星之際，美國嚴禁中國人進入他們的 “存放間”。而相比印度，即使是俄羅斯在最接近的地段，教授印度來研制新的武器。但是，印度由于自身的封閉觀念。導致他們根本不能去很快領悟。
　
歐美軍事技術界有一句笑話：中國人只要眼睛看到1/3，手就可以做到剩下的2/3. 而印度人即便是是你把全部的拿到他們面前，他們的手還是作不出全部的東西。這就是區別。一位在印度与中國都曾經帶過的俄羅斯軍事工程師說：与中國人打交道，很容易，中國人很快就可以接受与融合你。 甚至青勝於藍的設計. 而印度人則不知道他們在想什麼。
其實謎底是中國文化自古是開放式. 火藥, 火箭都是祖先留下的, 故得心應手.
印度人只能紙上談兵.
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2008-04-26 08:20 ｜ Jack

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Depressed Jack: You are NOT Chinese
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I think the easiest way to identify Taiwan Independent people or rest of the world is: TIer always don't know who they are so they want to make sure other people don't know who they are either. They believe they keep talking about it then everyone will get lost too. "I will make you stupid too so I don't look that stupid alone." kind of mentality, right?

No, not working for me, I am Chinese by my Taiwan (ROC) passport (yes, I still hold ROC passport). I am Taiwanese by the birth place. TI's real and main problem is they don't understand how to setup priority and how to evaluate the feasibility. Here is the process to get real TI (don't forget the name doesn't matter, the essence counts) for you to chew on:

1. Define why we shouldn't be United with China. We need to convince China (PRC) why simple unification is bad for them and it is good for American and Japanese. I can convince most well educated mainlanders but I can not pass this to you for free because you are rich.

2. Define why we shouldn't claim Taiwan Independency. It is bad for Taiwan, American, and Japan. But it is good for China. Want know why? You have to pay for it too.

3. Now we can conclude the best for all of us is something in between which is we get independent with China's whole heart endorsement then we form an organization like Great Britain. It is not the best but it is equally good for all parties involved. This is obvious so it is free.

Sounds reasonable? Any TIer figured out this yet? Most TIers just keep bumping into the solid Great Wall and mumbling "I am Taiwanese..you are Chinese.. I will go through this right here someday. Watch me." Sigh. Have a great weekend. Daddy Jack will be out of town for the weekend, so don't stare at the screen waiting for my response to pop up. Go jump around under the sun for a change.



2008-04-26 04:33 ｜ Jack

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Daddy Jack,

You are NOT Chinese. You are member of Ching KS group. Why do you still believe Ma. DO not forget what Ma did during his stay in US while he did not study at all. Money talk! Sorry, My uncle is a classmate of chairman of Taiwan province. I had QuanXi, you do not. Good for you. What is the QuanXi between your boss and you? Want to come working for me?
Working at home and do whatever you want. Sorry, You shall be born from Beijing. I was born at Beijing and know QuanXi.

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Ching KS didn't allow military personnel to buy land until 1962. Our family came from Shanghai area originally.
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Grand Daddy Jack

2008-04-26 03:40 ｜ Grand Daddy Jack

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Wrong: bought some lands in Taiwan, they will be billionare now. Sorry, My parent keep on working in their land in Taipei
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This shows you really don't know what's going on in Taiwan. Ching KS didn't allow military personnel to buy land until 1962. Our family came from Shanghai area originally. They know how to buy stock and land and they carried gold with them to supplement living expense until 1968. They used whatever left to buy their first apt in Taipei. We were put behind artificially a lot by Chiang for the name of "Saving China, defend Taiwan". We bought it and we didn't hate him. You on the other hand could see your daddy everyday and get so rich because Chiang but you hate him. Sigh, life is not fair, you know. Chiang protected Taiwanese from Chinese (WSR) very well in my book. He redistributed land from landlords to peasants so right now 95% rich people are BSR including you. Trust me, if you were Chinese from military family like I was, you wouldn't be able to boast how rich you are. It is simple fact. During Japanese occupation, less than 1% Taiwaneses could be called Rich, out of 200,000+ Taiwaneses in the Japanese army, the highest rank wasn't even a sergent. Japan slaughtered more than 420,000 Taiwaneses during those 50 years which is even in Janpan's history. They classified them all as bandits, do you agree with that classification? Whatever you believe is fine, check with real history in Stanford or UCLA or Harvard, they don't lie to you. Hopefully you will feel more humble toward Daddy Jack. Now I really need to go back to work. :-)

2008-04-26 01:59 ｜ Jack

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

陰沉 羅織 揣摩 無助於新時代的開創 要躍馬中原 就要活力 陽光 質樸 盼記者們去曬曬太陽 去去陰沉的氣息 呼吸一下有朝陽的新空氣 不要老讓猜疑 想像來佔滿胸懷

2008-04-26 01:56 ｜ HAPPY

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Jack,

From my deep heart, you shall solute the 5-star flag and bent your head to mainland China because this is US policy.
If you do not follow US policy, FBI may monitor you. Ok.
Be honest with you. If you parent (air force pilot) bought some lands in Taiwan, they will be billionare now. Sorry, My parent keep on working in their land in Taipei and city spread. That is why I can start up my company in US because a lot of Money from land. Go check it.
This is why I call you "your brain was stuffed with a lot of shit".
Back 1980, People warning me that I should not join in Taiwan independent movement. But I have vision, that is why I have so many QuanXi back North Carolina.
You shall look at XIDE, PCLN, APPL stock in US market. making some money and forgot those damn Chinese.
Sorry, My chinese wife likes my money, not myself. Money does talk, does not it?

Hehe

Real Jack











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I never went to China because I swore I don't yield or lower my head under 5-star flag. So was my parents. They are over 85. It is life long commitment, buddy. I doubt you can do that long for Taiwan
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2008-04-26 00:50 ｜ Real Jack

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Jack,

Sigh, you are a holly crap.
My uncle educated in Japan (sorry, Taiwan was occuppied by Japan), He was sent to mainland China during WWII. He became a chief engineer on survey for "East-West highway". I do not think that Chinese can build the high way without survey. Chinese is 2nd class people, they is good for labor work. Sorry, I believe so.
Hey, Why don't you ask your parent?
Why is Japan lost the WWII?
You might not know that Japan was superior on airplane in the early stage of WWII, then they lost the power.
Do you know why? If you can get a right answer, then I respect you. Otherwise, you are a talker like Chinese.

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?I believe these old soliders died for openning up the East-West highway is over 200 alone. During 823 JingMen war,
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Real Jack

2008-04-26 00:28 ｜ Real Jack

回應： 馬英九會傷劉兆玄嗎？

Jack,

I knew that your brain was stuffed a lot of shit by reading your story (See below). Yes, your parent guard Taiwan sky during the war. How about you?
I was working in the rice padding field since I am 5 years old every day. My whole family works in the rice field every day. My playground is rice field. I have so much fun in my early life since I have a nice evironment (clean air, good aulity life). I took care of Three water buffalo, plow the field, ... etc.
Without Taiwanese people feed your parent. Airplane will not help your stomach.
So, let us get this straighten. With that period, Everybody in Taiwan contributes the work. But my parents kept on telling me about How bad Chinese was. Unfornately, my best body was "2nd Chinese grew up in Taiwan). Later on, I found that they are not good because only 15% Officcial position left for Taiwanese. Please look at statistics number back 1989.
Most piss me off is that these 2nd generation chinese still monitor me while I studied in US. This reall taught me what Chinese is about.
I believe that you're US citizen now.
Me,too. But people needs to learn what it is right or what it is wrong.
Be honest with you, Chinese will not be a strong nation at all because I hired several mainland Chinese (graduated from Top school in US) to work in my start-up company, They are just "horse, horse, tiger, tiger". You can ask what this mean from your parent. As you know, developing software is not same as operating software. I do not know what field you're in. Thinking about this, The guy wrote a sloppy code, I need to fix code by review each line code. That is problem. So, I let these smart chinese guys go three years ago. I never believe Chinese anymore. Who is Chinese? Please making the defination first?

Real Jack








?I believe these old soliders died for openning up the East-West highway is over 200 alone. During 823 JingMen war, Chinese died 3 2-star generals plus thousands soliders. At least I saw how my father guarded Taiwan sky. He was lucky not got killed but do you know these Chineses only got to stay home 4 nights a month for 10 years during the early tough time? How many Taiwaneses did that? As a human to human, think with your heart.
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2008-04-26 00:17 ｜ Real Jack

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?Just complaint how bad Taiwan is, but they never did work on how to improve it.
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I am sorry you feel and see this way. It is not what I know of Chinese around me or I read. My parents and their friends spent their whole life to build up Taiwan and they love Taiwan. My parents are retired and they watch Taiwan newspaper and TV everyday. My mother can not travel. Most of their friends went back to Taiwan to vote every time. They spent less than $50 a week on food but they spend $3000+ for 5 days voting trip. I don't know what other race loves their homeland this much. You look Ma, Liu, Mao, they are all Chineses in Taiwan. They got their Ph.D. from top schools in US then went back to Taiwan making about 9-11% of what they could make in US for their whole life. These three even never went back to China. Do you know all DPP leaders did visit China and tried to meet PRC leaders? Please be objective to look around or just look these WSR and BSR political leaders and their parents. Compare what they did. I sincerely believe Chinese(WSR) doesn't love Taiwan less than BSR or did less than BSR. If we go to extreme, could you compare the number of people died for Taiwan including 228? Forget emotional judgement, just look the numbers objectively. I believe these old soliders died for openning up the East-West highway is over 200 alone. During 823 JingMen war, Chinese died 3 2-star generals plus thousands soliders. At least I saw how my father guarded Taiwan sky. He was lucky not got killed but do you know these Chineses only got to stay home 4 nights a month for 10 years during the early tough time? How many Taiwaneses did that? As a human to human, think with your heart. I honestly believe we do love Taiwan more than most BSR want to admit. My parents still have ROC flag right in the middle of their wall. I never went to China because I swore I don't yield or lower my head under 5-star flag. So was my parents. They are over 85. It is life long commitment, buddy. I doubt you can do that long for Taiwan.

2008-04-25 18:30 ｜ Jack

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老銀,

You're a Damn Chinse.

老銀就是沒有容納不同立場不同意見的度量罷了，(看你如何回應立場超藍同是馬迷的彭蕙仙，就可證明了!)

還是希望你自己去開部落格，好好表現給被你罵到臭頭的其他部落格格主看，如何才是公正不阿的評論與監督方式!!趙老大都能寫部落格了，你別老說年紀大了沒法寫，你留言字數比很多格主的文章還多著哪!

China Little emperor

2008-04-25 13:16 ｜ China Little emperor

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To Jack,

Yes or No.
Two years in the manetory military service back 1970, I saw most corrupted thing in my life. Later on, I taught in the private high school and college too.
Too many students, As you know, When teacher comes to the class, student need stand up and solute me "Teacher, well ...". I was first one to get rid of this non-sense solute style in my class.

The simple reason is that I was spanned for my first day on junior high school because one of disciple teacher is a Chinese. He claimed that I did not solute him, What a heck, How do I know you are teacher when it is my first day in the junior high school?
I never tought how bad Chinese is. Unitl I married with a real Chinese woman.
Sigh, the culture is different. I do not blame on mainland Chinese because they were educated in that way. I was confused by "Chinese in Taiwan" and "Chinese in USA". They have an opportunity to become a better person, they do NOT want to improve themselves and just complaint how bad Taiwan is, but they never did work on how to improve it.
They never walk with talk.
They can get away with so many years.
Real good people, No matter Chinese or Taiwanese or American, Walk with talk.
Like I say, I like digital world. Crisp sound and no betwen among '0' and '1' world. Old solider never die and only fade away.

Programmer never lie and only keep forgot!

--China Little emperor















China Little emperor,

2008-04-25 13:10 ｜ China Little emperor,

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老銀

媒體人寫政治評論，也必須接受讀者嚴格的檢驗。這是一。
===> 黃創夏這個部落格是媒體嗎? 他目前有在哪一家媒體同步登出他的文章嗎?

其次，政治人物是人民公僕，但不是人民的「公奴」，在沒有確認違法狀況下都必須尊敬；即便沒違法但若疑其有違道德的情況下，雖可評議，但也必須尊重。
===> 我想只有對藍營政治人物(或者說馬營人士吧)你才會主張用如此寬厚方式對待吧!?你的雙重標準未免也太超過了吧??


這種自認永遠正義的歪風必須靠我們來制止，不能再像以往一樣姑息。
===> 「這種自認正義的歪風必須靠我們來制止」，這點你說的沒錯，所以我才會說對於你「你們都是白癡笨蛋、都是居心叵測狼子野心，只有我說的才正確，只有照我說的去做才是愛國愛民...」的那種霸道心態感到無比憤怒與悲哀的深惡厭煩。

你罵人，就是監督、制止歪風；別人批判，卻是造謠中傷詆毀謾罵? 說穿了你就是沒有容納不同立場不同意見的度量罷了，(看你如何回應立場超藍同是馬迷的彭蕙仙，就可證明了!)

還是希望你自己去開部落格，好好表現給被你罵到臭頭的其他部落格格主看，如何才是公正不阿的評論與監督方式!!趙老大都能寫部落格了，你別老說年紀大了沒法寫，你留言字數比很多格主的文章還多著哪!


2008-04-25 12:36 ｜ kenny

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Kenny> TO老銀,
Kenny> 知道你不甘寂寞又愛說話，那就拜託趕快去開個部落格吧，
Kenny> 愛怎樣大鳴大放、愛吹捧誰修理誰，都可以!!
Kenny> 成天掛在別人版上大放厥詞，算什麼漢子??

喔? 開個部落格就可以從卒子晉升成漢子啦?! :p
難道說因為板主發表的文章字體比較大, 訪客迴響字體比較小, 就讓人有這種印象出來...
嗯...果然網頁設計師也是個能決定人價值的偉大角色 (誤)

...不扯那些自我安慰(同時洩漏自己的業務機密)的話下去了 ^^;
雖說最近幾個月在當部落格菜鳥下來的體會是:
打著一個 web2.0 的時髦口號, 實際上跟十幾年前就在流行的BBS所產生的文化也沒差多少...

不過部落格這個東西的設計, 還是有它獨到的一面,
就是直接催化 " 話題 + 主人 + 客人 -> 內容 " 這種化學反應.
訪客回應實質上已是讀者對於 '一篇文章' 以及 '一個部落格' 的印象的不可或缺的部分,

要跟統計學混口飯吃的人, 去計算一個部落格對於讀者的誘因,
絕對不會只把 '黃兄今天又寫了些什麼' 算進去,
卻把 '老銀兄今天對黃兄寫的東西的反應是什麼'...等等因素給刻意忽略的 :)

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倘若老銀兄真的去開自己的部落格, 肯定不會比現在更精采,
因為若有著"第四權"的自我期許並且了解必要的自我制約,
是沒有辦法天天大鳴大放、吹捧誰修理誰都隨心所欲...的.

只有具有當綜藝節目主持人天份的人, 才有辦法天天造'梗',
可惜第四權的實踐目標不是娛樂大眾, 而是要前三權嚴肅看待自己.

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固然還有幾十天在任的現任總統的厚臉皮功力讓人痛恨,
(尤以某白木兄的'展現偉大民主成就'的白目觀點所敘述的那個事件為甚)
但很悲哀的, 面對把新聞報導及政治評論當成搞綜藝節目的 '第四權' ,
前三權若要維持自己的專業效率及終極責任, 就非得要向中華民國第10與11任總統學習一下不可.

如同十幾年經驗下來的BBS老手, 練就一身對網路小白的麻木感...那樣.

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個人覺得老銀兄是憑著一股責任感在不斷勸導:
媒體該秉持什麼紀律去行事, 才得以逐步發揮第四權實效;
如果前三權因媒體自身專業不足, 信口雌黃, 斷章取義...等問題, 而喪失對媒體的尊重,
就只淪為服務一小撮客戶(只要養得起自己的規模即可)的娛樂事業了.

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表面上看來是最高民主價值之一的 "言論自由", 卻也是實質上的最低品質標準及道德標準.

2008-04-25 11:42 ｜ 因此讓人猜錯政治傾向也許不是件壞事

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China Little emperor,

I think you meant "Junior Air Force Academy", right? Yes, it was for poor kids from Chinese military villages to have one way to move up. My father was officer, he took 3 kids out of mainland off the HangKo street onto the last boat heading South. He sent one to this school. It was the only way for him. The other two didn't want to go to schools so they joined Air Force with phony ID. This one finished Air Force Academy, he had pretty good career in Air Force. He retired as Colonel. They took me to see special priced movies whenever they got free tickets. We were close. Poor people always don't know what is their tomorrow going to be. Poor Chineses or Taiwaneses, we are all on the same boat. It is our educated people's duty to help this society. My parents did their share. I am still trying. Did you?

By the way, did you say most of your students went to MIT or Toronto? From this school?

2008-04-25 08:07 ｜ Jack

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To Jack,

Do you know what the non-voltage switch is?
Need help on this issue!

Real Jack



2008-04-25 08:06 ｜ Real Jack

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TO老銀,

知道你不甘寂寞又愛說話，那就拜託趕快去開個部落格吧，愛怎樣大鳴大放、愛吹捧誰修理誰，都可以!!成天掛在別人版上大放厥詞，算什麼漢子??不要常掛嘴邊說你和王建壯夫婦如何相熟，可又故作清高說不想熱臉貼冷屁股云云，聽你講多了覺得很噁濫耶!(不過是要個部落格，哪來那麼多廢話?)

良藥苦口利於病，忠言逆耳加減聽吧，否則如果黃創夏真的像其他格主一樣，不歡迎你再來留言，你豈不是沒戲唱了?


媒體人寫政治評論，也必須接受讀者嚴格的檢驗。這是一。

其次，政治人物是人民公僕，但不是人民的「公奴」，在沒有確認違法狀況下都必須尊敬；即便沒違法但若疑其有違道德的情況下，雖可評議，但也必須尊重。

長期以來，媒體假藉監督之名，實則不當干政亂政，導致媒體本身也成為社會公害，政黨已二次輪替，但媒體和媒體人卻從未反省和檢討。這種自認永遠正義的歪風必須靠我們來制止，不能再像以往一樣姑息。

Kenny, Hehe

2008-04-25 08:05 ｜ Kenny

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Kenny，

媒體人寫政治評論，也必須接受讀者嚴格的檢驗。這是一。

其次，政治人物是人民公僕，但不是人民的「公奴」，在沒有確認違法狀況下都必須尊敬；即便沒違法但若疑其有違道德的情況下，雖可評議，但也必須尊重。

長期以來，媒體假藉監督之名，實則不當干政亂政，導致媒體本身也成為社會公害，政黨已二次輪替，但媒體和媒體人卻從未反省和檢討。這種自認永遠正義的歪風必須靠我們來制止，不能再像以往一樣姑息。

2008-04-25 07:44 ｜ 老銀

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To Jack,

I was a math teacher for "Air force element high school(prepare for Air force pilot back 1976" located at Da-peng bay.
So, Knowing a lot of Chinese who has no future in their mind. Poor Chinese.
Why do we want to discriminate same race? I have one little Chinese emperor who from my wife (real Chinese Woman from North East China next to North Korea). Wish to have more little Chinese emporer and a lot of fun to play with it.

China Little emperor







2008-04-25 07:31 ｜ China Little emperor

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This is a good one. "Free Speech" does have limit. The limit is we can not insult people just because we don't agree with people. It goes to everyone including myself.

I probably don't agree with Huang on quite few points but I do appreciate he shares a lot of interesting information to us. I felt deeply insulted when he called my father generation as 老丘八 but I just tried to tell him the truth. I believe he didn't know the truth and he didn't know what 老丘八 meant to some people. It was very low class call. 丘八 was two words separated from Solider and it sounded similar as LP for SanDong people. When I saw it first time, I didn't believe how he could use it. In our father generation, there was a "100,000 young men, 100,000 soliders" movement. We really have no reason to insult that generation. Just want to show how hard I refrained myself not to bash back because I believe Huang didn't understand that. Nobody can know everything. Take easy.

To Hehe, I am glad you sounded much better now. "We" meant the people I work with, we have a group of 80+ people. Nothing offensive I hope.
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人與人之間不可能彼此毫無傷害的，但是因爲有了原諒與包容的胸襟，能分辨重要和不重要的事情，即便如此，依然能共事。
新政府要學習爲人處事之道，而升斗小民又何嘗不需要學習呢？
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2008-04-25 06:00 ｜ Jack
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