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邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

2008-04-23 07:44 ｜迴響：23｜點閱：7959

新科行政院副院長邱正雄，一向是政壇上有名的「老實人」，別看邱正雄在處理財經事務、護盤股市時的專業與精準，但面對政治與大眾時，邱正雄往往會不知所措。

 

邱正雄的「老實」，最有名的就是2000年初總統大選前，當時李登輝和蕭萬長要內閣政務官上政論節目，為國民黨施政辯護。有一回，邱正雄和當時的經濟部長王志剛同台，認真的邱正雄，可是準備了一大堆資料，當然，也有黨政高層耳提面的「發言重點」。

 

認真的邱正雄很專注聽每個來賓與叩應民眾的發言，然後，像個耐心的老教授不厭其煩地回應。突然，有一個很懂財經的叩應發言，直接戳破國民黨的盲點，剛好進入廣告時間，邱正雄面對這個「專業挑戰」，很為難，他忍不住問了身邊的王志剛：「等一下，我該說真話嗎？還是照這些參考資料講？我覺得，不能故意講假話才對。」邱正雄忘了麥克風未關機，話傳了出來。全場人都笑翻了天，政壇竟還有「老實」人！

 

如今再復出政壇，不知邱正雄以後施政，面對民眾時，是否還能維持這樣的「老實」風格呢？

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2008-04-23 07:44 ｜作者：黃創夏｜分類：政客百態｜迴響：23｜點閱：7959

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回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

大陸的"投資移民"or "陸資炒房" is an interesting news but impossible idea from Mainlander's viewpoint. My neighbors are all mainlanders. There are so many rich mainlanders in US already. I asked one about this idea. He said "Why? I am so welcomed in US or even in England with even this much money. Why should we go to Taiwan to get in between China-Taiwan arguments all the time? Taiwan's living quality is not that good even comparing with similar level of China's metropolitans. It's so small too, it is suffocating. Most of all, we feel upset by just looking at these Green people. They hate and humiliate us all the time. They may win election later then what will happen to our money? Only idiots will put money in Taiwan." Just quote one mainlander's opinion. So calm down, welcome mainland tourists and cool down anti-Chinese talks to make short term bucks is more realistic expectation. Chinese is smarter than we want to give them credit for.

2008-04-24 04:33 ｜ Jack

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

Quick notes ...
Mainlanders are very shrewd, they won't come over worrying about war if they have money. I'd say majority mainlanders still think sooner or later they have to "bring" Taiwan back home forcefully. So whoever coming over is not lambs for us to chop anyway we want. They might not be all "underground cell" but I'm sure they all will get their full money worth and more. That's how they get richer in mainland, it is much tougher place than Taiwan to make big bucks.
+++++++++++++++++
價碼可以再說,但我不覺得"所有移來的人"都會是你說的"as Unification underground cells ",
+++++++++++++++++

To Happier Jack, sorry I stepped on your sensitive toes. Take easy. Don't forget you did claim you represent Taiwanese Independence movement here. Keep up the class for us, please.

2008-04-24 03:18 ｜ Jack

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？



民進黨的本土品牌的墮落，林濁水表示，當「台灣情結」成為民進黨的「黑金救生筏」時，民進黨就被人看扁了；是前民進黨主席游錫堃和前民進黨秘書長林佳龍所主導的冒進、反改革路線，造成民進黨今日的慘敗。

他們兩人有如此大的能耐嗎？民進黨全是扁奴才，為什現在才跳出來批游林二人，而真正的主角貪扁到現在還不敢點名批判？民進黨最好解散，重組新黨，所有奴才通通跳樓吧！


2008-04-24 02:03 ｜ ^_^

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

to Jack(2008-04-24 00:33的那一位)

個人認:
價碼可以再說,但我不覺得"所有移來的人"都會是你說的"as Unification underground cells ",
我也不認為我們的"安全能力"會那麼的差.
何況先給永久居留並沒有投票權,要經過一定的時間與條件才能"依法"(安全觀察是重點)讓他歸化(取得身分證).

否則我們現在"叫人來買房",不就是讓他們炒一炒房弄到錢就走人了(五年不能轉讓也還是會走,沒有誘因讓錢留住),才是災難!

2008-04-24 01:30 ｜ 什麼是玩政治

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？



下面的Ｄ，現在在這個島上的人都是呆完郎，如果你Ｄ腦還有本省外省之分，那只有原住民才是本省人，其他通通都是外省人。懂嗎？
====================
To Ceej,
Yes, 本省人只適合當副手!
2008-04-24 00:53 ｜ Lui

2008-04-24 01:27 ｜ xyz

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

To Ceej,

Yes, 本省人只適合當副手!

2008-04-24 00:53 ｜ Lui

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

To Jack

>>Liu got Ph.D. in Chemistry from Toront>>o university which is at the same leve>>l as MIT and Berkely.

You're a creeper. Most of my high school student went to MIT and Toronto for Phd. Sorry, I was a high school math teeacher back Taiwan before 1980. Any of my student will have better capable to do "Lui's" job. Oh! Sorry, I forgot Lui is a good nipple sucker. My buddy "Bill Gates" does not have a BS degree at all, but he has tremendous ability to do any thing. Is Liu much prettier than you're? I do not think so. Degree is one thing, be able to listen to the people is another thing. I already knew that you cloned me. Hey, My neighbor (immigrated from Germenay when she was 14 years). She want some Chinese man.
Do you want me to hook you up?
Blue eye, blonde, muscular, and taller.
Want some?

Happier Jack


2008-04-24 00:35 ｜ Jack

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

Tow issues with the following idea:

1. These rich people who can not qualify for moving to US probably are not really rich people. The bar for investment immigration to US is fairly low. I think US $300,000 will do it. It is less than RMB 60,000.

2. These small time rich people probably are selected to move to Taiwan as Unification underground cells. I don't think Taiwaneses can match them up. I had long time experience playing political struggling with mainlanders. If they are not the best, I don't know who are. Chen SB and gangs are just side dishes comparing with them. They can definitely help Blue to beat up Green down to the ditch and you can not even find any trace left. Do we want that? Let's come up other ways to make money. This is like "drink poison to quest the thirsty." :-)

因為大陸的"不民主.不重法治"以及"擔心泡沫的來臨"等"不安感",大陸的"富人們"很多有想要找個"退路"(或後路)的心態,他們外移的首選雖是夢幻中的"天堂"(美國),但美國哪有那麼多的配額(就算再除掉要移往紐澳加的,也還有一大堆富人)

2008-04-24 00:33 ｜ Jack

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

補充一下;

韓國的大統領李明博已提出"五十萬美金給永久居留"的政策了!
它就是個人所說的"吸金大法",
個人預言它將吸引"某些量"的陸客.
我們可以"絕不做此思考"嗎?
甚至,可以"降低價碼"與他們競爭啊!

2008-04-23 21:00 ｜ 什麼是玩政治

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

給馬蕭的建言_為台灣注入活水

所謂的"開放兩岸政策",應不只是放在鬆綁企業"到大陸投資上限"的單向思考,應考慮雙向的"資金流入"的撇步,有一種澳洲.紐西蘭.加拿大甚至美國當年都曾用過的”吸金大法”,似乎可以援用(而且現在是時機)_
即開放大陸的"投資移民"或"技術移民":
1.因為大陸的"不民主.不重法治"以及"擔心泡沫的來臨"等"不安感",大陸的"富人們"很多有想要找個"退路"(或後路)的心態,他們外移的首選雖是夢幻中的"天堂"(美國),但美國哪有那麼多的配額(就算再除掉要移往紐澳加的,也還有一大堆富人).
我們如能"有計畫性地"對他們開放移民,相信以我們的"民主.法治.自由"以及"同文同種"的優勢,應有相當的吸引力.(可以先給類似美國綠卡的"永久居留權",至於"身分證"則可另行制定"針對這些移民專用的歸化法").
2.如果有一套像"分五年或六年開放30萬人限額"的完整的移民計劃(現在的外籍配偶加上外傭都已超過此數),並規劃開發三.四個新市鎮(如在淡水.林口或大台中地區甚至大高雄地區),而每人要價"美金一佰萬元"(相當當年加.澳.美對台灣移民的索價),則將有30萬X100萬美元的資金流入(就是3000億美元約台幣九至十兆元),可帶動我們的建設並改善我們的經濟(與開放陸客來台觀光並行,將更可觀).
3.除了帶動我們的建設,改善我們的經濟外,還有如下的好處:
(1)移來的人的素質肯定要比"偷渡客"來得高(他們可能多數會當"寓公",對我們的工作機會的影響應不至像開放陸工那樣的讓人憂慮其衝擊性),而集中在三.四個市鎮,亦較好"治理".
(2)移來的人,也將會為台灣講話(除非是負有任務而來,但這一點應包括在後述因應對策的考慮中),對緩和兩岸的敵對狀態應會有所"助益".
當然,帶來一些安全與社會問題是難免的,但如何侷限並進而化解它,這有賴先做因應的對策(個人認我們本來就是一個移民社會, 已有很大的包容性,而且我們也有很好的安全網絡與社工能力,應足以應付與解決問題).
從我們目前環境的需要與現在正是時機看,這個政策如果好好研議採行,應會是"注入一大注的活水",尤其對愛台十二建設資金的挹注.
它不似熱錢的那種"席捲而去",也不似"陸資炒房"的終歸要泡沫化吧!

2008-04-23 20:43 ｜ 什麼是玩政治

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

不管是江丙坤、吳伯雄、吳敦義、還是詹啟賢，I talked about 詹啟賢 so let's compare Liu with 吳伯雄、吳敦義. Liu's father was ROC AirForce general with very good reputation among American (American does study people's history such as John McCain's father and grandfather were Navy Admirals were quoted all the time) and China. Liu got Ph.D. in Chemistry from Toronto university which is at the same level as MIT and Berkely. He was professor and President of ChinHwa University over 17 years. It is big deal because it means he has over 20,000 well educted students all over the world in high tech areas. ChinHwa has higher reputation than Taiwan University among well educated mainland intellectuals. These are intangibl assets and they are in China and US decision makers' minds. Liu also has very long and complete administration experience. He is very talented himself. From this angle to compare, is he the best for this position? Who else in Taiwan is higher than him in these areas? 吳伯雄、吳敦義 are perfect at what they are doing and they have future career under development too. I don't know it was coincidence or not. I recommended 吳伯雄、吳敦義 openly on World Journal for these positions right after Ma won KMT chairman. I even recommended to remove Jang when Jang had conflict with 吳伯雄 (vice-chariman). Jang was long time follower of Ma, Ma removed him and put 吳敦義 in his position. Write to Ma or any leaders with your objective and rational suggestions with Taiwan's long term best interest in mind. They will listen. They will throw it away if you just have BSR-WSR as only justification. We are in 21th century now.

2008-04-23 19:26 ｜ Jack

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

黃創夏,不知從哪鑽出來的"蔣家先輩" is actuall just one poor Taiwanese having depression problem. He needs to talk and gets attention from his country fellow (us). You can look up ChinaTime's membership record, find one (he probably has several email accounts too) membership for him to use and tell him that's it. I assume you can block other email accounts like ChangSK can do on ChinaTime. This guy is one of us with trouble. Let's accept him and help him to go through the bad time.

2008-04-23 18:46 ｜ jackc

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

詹啟賢事件後的族群議題的發酵 is Chen SuiBian's plot. I posted the following article but was pushed down to page 2 right at the time I posted. I'm reposting it here again. Now let's imagine if 詹啟賢 is any top 3 positions in Ma's administration. Will 詹啟賢 put 王清峰 to monitor Chen SB's case? Don't forget 檢察官 has to call 詹啟賢 to testify Chen SB's "319 Two Bullet" case as witness. After all 詹啟賢 was in charge of that hospital during the time. Would that affect how 詹啟賢 performs on his new position? My bold prediction is 詹啟賢 is the best chess Chen SB plays to protect himself. Liu is the best strategist we can get, he plays chess 5 steps ahead.

Repost the following again:

詹啟賢 situation is created by Chen SuiBien. Ma would win this election landslide no matter 詹啟賢 joined or not. 詹啟賢 might pop up 500,000 votes the most but he created doubt in many PanBlue people's mind because his involvement of Chen SB's "319 Two Bullets" incident. 詹啟賢 was the key person witnessed what happened in the hospital on 3/19/2004 but he never explained clearly about it. 詹啟賢is great talent but he didn't clarify his position clean. When Ma went to meet Chen SB, 詹啟賢 joined him. Chen SB played trick to stir up the distrust of 詹啟賢 among PanBlue people when they were leaving. Chen SB shaked hands with Ma for 5 seconds and they didn't look at each other. Chen SB held 詹啟賢 hands over 30 seconds and talked with him closely to his ear and kindly looked at 詹啟賢 afterwards. The body languange is the highest politics in many cases. 詹啟賢 didn't explain openly what Chen told him. People still remember KMT's "Stone" General Tong Fa was assigned by Chen SB as Prime Minister at beginning then Tong was fired by Chen disgracefully in 3 months. Chen wants to manipulate Ma to push out 詹啟賢 with "319 case" trial. Ma and Liu don't want dance to Chen's music. That's it. It is the best for 詹啟賢 to work outside of the government now to support Ma and prove he is not Chen's chess. After "319" trail is over then Ma can use 詹啟賢 freely. This is Ma's way to use people such as Yeh JingChuan. Now Ma needs 100% trusted and experienced people to bring the government on track as soon as possible. He has to reduce all possible noises or political struggling. Ma has to cut off from Chen as clean as possible. Just think from Ma and Liu's viewpoint with "319" trail in their mind and they know Chen will call 詹啟賢 for witness. Would that be a very ackward situation? Would that sidetrack new government totally? Think without 族群 in your mind, the picture is much clearer.

2008-04-23 18:11 ｜ jack

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

中時部落格實在應該讓人登錄後才能發文，才不會出現這種冒名的問題。

另，不知黃版主有空是否能夠評詹啟賢事件後的族群議題的發酵，我今天看到施正鋒都在中時論壇上發文，言語之間對於馬英九作法頗有微詞，印象中他的評論一向中肯，但他都會說以下的話，看來事態嚴重: 不管是江丙坤、吳伯雄、吳敦義、還是詹啟賢，在「才德兼備」的最高標準下，為何他們恰巧通通沒有資格領導「財經內閣」，好像本省人只適合當副手、或是技術官僚？

2008-04-23 16:52 ｜ CeeJ

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

敬告那幾位不知從哪鑽出來的"蔣家先輩"
諸"靈"之語實在不雅
所以相關留言刪除

黃創夏

2008-04-23 14:35 ｜ 黃創夏

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

希望版主把那個一直冒網友網名的混蛋揪出來
對版主比較好

2008-04-23 13:02 ｜ 路人

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

世界地球日，大家愛地球我閱讀，你捐款！

蔣介石

2008-04-23 12:06 ｜ 蔣介石

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

底下兩篇為冒名臭蟲
我從不引用英文的

2008-04-23 10:42 ｜ 老銀

回應： 邱正雄：該說真話嗎？

>>微軟控告Google非法挖角前主管李開復的法律糾
>>紛，曾讓這兩大科技龍頭的不合正式浮上檯面。如
>>今微軟有意收購雅虎來對抗Google一舉，更讓雙>>方舊恨新仇再度湧上心頭。
>> 　前微軟工程師陸科斯基曾在2005年法院文
>>件中，揭露微軟與Google執行長互有嫌隙的秘
>>辛。據稱微軟執行長鮑瑪在2004年有一次怒氣沖
>>沖丟椅子，誓言將「活埋」Google執行長施密
>>特。他說，「我以前曾做過，以後我還會再做一
>>次」。但鮑瑪稍後解釋他們對話純是「過度誇張

鮑瑪 said "Damn Chinese -->李開復".
Three great plant in the world:
Tomato, Mariwana**(weed), and forgot the last one. Smoke weed makes me real high and we need grow a lot of weed at Taiwan so that people will not get too exciting about politics.

Have you heard anybody get violent after smoking weed? If you did not smoke weed, then you are not man.
"創夏", do yu want some?

--老銀









2008-04-23 10:33 ｜ 老銀

回應： 黃創夏：該說真話嗎？

Steve Ballmer --鮑瑪
Eric Schmitd --施密特
李開復 -- 10 Million salary for Mainland China market.

鮑瑪 said "Damn Chinese -->李開復".
I was friend of 前微軟工程師陸科斯基 and we play poker over the weekend at Redmond east park way of sammish lake.
We do some weed at shore of sammish lake. "創夏", Do you want some weed?
Never hear that people get high from weed will do violent? Went Vancouver, Canada in weed house. 50 buck can get 30 monutes high. Coming back US and get some SEX at border of US and Canada.
老銀, Do you want some?

--I told you so.









微軟控告Google非法挖角前主管李開復的法律糾紛，曾讓這兩大科技龍頭的不合正式浮上檯面。如今微軟有意收購雅虎來對抗Google一舉，更讓雙方舊恨新仇再度湧上心頭。
　前微軟工程師陸科斯基曾在2005年法院文件中，揭露微軟與Google執行長互有嫌隙的秘辛。據稱微軟執行長鮑瑪在2004年有一次怒氣沖沖丟椅子，誓言將「活埋」Google執行長施密特。他說，「我以前曾做過，以後我還會再做一次」。但鮑瑪稍後解釋他們對話純是「過度誇張

2008-04-23 10:26 ｜ 老銀
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