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(32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

2006-03-23 10:30迴響:56點閱:11945

聽到米羅塞維奇死在海牙的監獄裡,馬上想到那對住在貝爾格勒殘障收容所的兄弟,史多布丹與馬可,四十來歲,斯拉夫人的體態 – 又高又大。2001年我製作紀錄片塞爾維亞 – 黑暗之子 時記者訪問過他們。這對兄弟是住在克羅埃西亞的塞爾維亞裔,1990年,他們追隨民族救星米羅塞維奇,為了族群的生存,與米羅塞維奇的大軍會合,真槍實彈的與克軍做殊死戰,結果克羅埃西亞還是獨立了,他們兄弟呢? 一個採到地雷痛失雙腿,一個眼睛瞎了,本來一場強調本土族群利益的戰爭,打敗了,不見容於克羅埃西亞,他們兄弟倆被迫離開世代生長的家園,回到塞爾維亞祖國的懷抱,成了難民,一輩子的難民,訪問他們的時候,正在為收容所不人道待遇抗爭。

「當初沒有人告訴我會是這樣的結果,」史多布單在髒亂、兩坪大的收容所裡,一面吐著煙,一面沉重的說著。打仗的時候,他們才二十幾歲。

「我只想吐口水在我自己臉上!」馬可對著鏡頭說。這兩個兄弟和許許多多的塞爾維亞人一樣 – 是米羅塞維奇的粉絲、追隨者,他們在克羅埃西亞是少數族群,也的確受過欺壓,他們以為米羅塞維奇可以救他們,以為米羅塞維奇是他們的救世主。

「那些勸我們逃走的鄰居們,現在一個個活得很好,我沒有臉去見他們……. 至少他們的腿還在,」弟弟說。

南斯拉夫6個聯邦,除了馬其頓,其他五個在獨立時都流過血,波斯尼亞的穆斯林一死就是七、八千 ……… 我常想,如此不對的事,在歷史上怎麼一演再演?像這對兄弟,怎麼就不能分辨出個好歹?怎麼就分不清米羅塞維奇是在利用他們的族群意識? 換個角度來說,如果我是這對兄弟,是不是也會為了「受壓迫」而加入這個米氏集團? 這究竟是怎麼回是? 這裡面該有個破口。以科索沃來說吧,米羅塞維奇發動得了種族清洗,是有機可趁的,是有民意支持的,是大元帥狄扥死後的民族情緒大崩盤,塞爾雅族族群再也不必為了南斯拉夫的大團結受到壓抑,明明是個大族,土地人口都大,為甚麼要不停的遷就小族?! 科索沃省(阿爾巴尼亞裔)和弗依弗丁那省(匈牙利裔)為甚麼在中央政府裡有相同的投票權? 這兩個省又為甚麼有自治權? 為甚麼住在這兩個省的塞爾維亞族群是受歧視的少數民族 …… 這種種不滿的情緒是政客的資本,抓到就是你的。

米羅塞維奇在科索沃抗奧圖曼侵略六百年紀念日當天跑到科索沃,對著激情的塞爾維亞群眾喊著說「科索沃是塞爾維亞的聖地!… 今天開始,沒有人可以欺負你們了!」他當場指著警察說:「不可以碰他們!」米氏每次聚眾演說都有上百萬的群眾參予,他是民族的希望。所謂民氣可用,這個人選擇了正面衝突,鞏固了自己的權利,當上了總統,他成立「真相調查小組」,在國內城市鄉間播映,讓塞爾維亞人看到自己的族人在科索沃如何受到不公平的待遇,「真相」一遍又一遍的播映,報復聲浪價天,他激起報復的情緒,選擇蔑視科索沃85%阿裔的現實,迴避不溝通、不協調,硬是收回科索沃的自治權,派進塞爾維亞警察,他的這一套硬幹的大塞爾維亞民族論調,配上恐怖統治,加上對媒體的絕對掌握,在反對各聯邦獨立戰爭中慘敗,在科索沃族群清洗的行動中引來北約盟軍的轟炸,科索沃眼看著今年要獨立了,他自己卻死在一個15米大的牢房裡,這個教訓還不夠嗎? 不夠! 一群老黨員在他的遺像前落淚,有人簽字哀悼寫著「塞爾維亞隨你一起死了。」他的社會黨主席Dacic說:「非國葬不可!」前面提到的那對兄弟,用一生的痛苦,也鎮不住那個米羅塞維奇的靈魂。

米羅塞維奇死了,遺憾的遺憾,頌揚的頌揚。遺憾的說他這個殺人魔死得太早,該受到國際法庭制裁後再死,頌揚的要以民族英雄葬他。但是,對一個台灣生長的記者,在巴爾幹又住了五、六年的我來說,冷眼看米羅塞維奇的生與死,我,既不遺憾、也不頌揚,倒是憂心起我自己的國家,覺得米羅塞維奇好像並沒死,他的靈魂正在各各角落閒蕩,尋找可吞噬的人。

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re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear Carol:

We just identified another DPP’s abuse of blog’s freedom of usage. Anti-Chinese rhetoric by DPP member JPL always came immediately after a post using simplified Chinese character. Usually, the faked mainland Chinese would use insults on the Chinese living in Taiwan. Then JPL would come out say, this is why we have to go TI.

We have suspected this behavior for quite a while. Through digital information signature analysis, it came out from DPP. And it was used twice in this blog. DPP has been using dirty blog trickery in the last several elections. We will report this to the world’s internet security council and we hope that you would keep the detailed information of this blog for the future investigation.

2006-03-27 15:03 Chinese

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

邏輯不通至極

如果中國不耍流氓 台灣人樂得當家作主 自己作自己的主人
又何必向華聖頓朝貢?

還好意思批評台灣的博碩士論文, 去

2006-03-27 13:51 JPL

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

看到這個部落格 我才知道米羅塞維奇這號人物 在google上用Slobodan Milosevic尋尋覓覓 ,左顧右盼, 真令人髮指 ,也真令人心有餘悸.

米羅塞維奇是一個聰明人 利用悲情事件激發族群對抗, 鞏固個人的權威.

米羅塞維奇有一個愛炒地皮 炒愛炒股票的皇帝娘, 有一對驕縱子女. 米羅塞維奇一家人把國防部的軍官當佣人. 皇帝娘把國家和財團的錢變成自家的錢.

米羅塞維奇死後 皇帝娘及子女都未奔喪

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亏你也叫“研究生”,水平之低果然证明了台湾人的弱智。作为学者的起码要求,是尊重事实,以客观态度,科学方法研究之。

以这样的标准衡量,你一样都做不到!米洛舍惟奇是皇帝吗?他的子女不奔丧难道是他众叛亲离吗?还有,你的sources 出处如何?可信度有多少?是一手资料还是二手资料?

如此种种问题,说明你作为研究生的不及格。我曾看过台湾一个博硕士论文,除了极少数不错外,大多数简直是鬼混!!

2006-03-27 13:35 消灭台独

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Well......By this theory, Should USA or Canada unified with Great Britian? Because Amercians or Canadians should not forget about British?
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这是神经病的台湾人所杜撰的为台独张目的歪理邪说,不堪一击。这样的类比根本不适用于中国,也不适用于这个时代。18世纪时期的民族国家观念远远不如当代强烈。最根本的一条是地理的距离:欧洲离北美有6、7千公里,隔着辽阔的大西洋,英国实在是鞭长莫及。台湾距离大陆实际上是隔海相望,与英美情况不同。两岸实力极度向大陆倾斜,不要说当时的英美,就是当代的东西德和南北韩,也与这种不均衡德情况匹敌。要知道,当时的美国,是具有一定实力的,特别是具有辽阔的战略回旋空间(结果怎么打也打不死),加上法国不惜财政破产的支持,才有独立的胜利。台湾能吗?!做梦可以,现实绝对不行!

不要做梦啦,老老实实做中华帝国边缘的一个省份吧,什么主体性,什么尊严,通通都是骗人的呓语。就算我们给你独立了又怎么样,还不是改个主子,到华盛顿朝贡!那是独立吗?那是属国!

2006-03-27 13:24 消灭台独

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear Chinese,

>Yes, Chinese had a one hundred year humiliation. Just because your mother is poor, you should not denounce your mother.

Well......By this theory, Should USA or Canada unified with Great Britian? Because Amercians or Canadians should not forget about British?

2006-03-27 12:40 Wow

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Well, "Chinese" is an ambiguous term. Sometimes it means
ethnic Chinese, other times it means citizen of the People's
Republic of China. And in some very rare instances, like in
Chairman Ma's mind, it means citizen of the Republic of China.

Personally, I prefer using precise terms. I call myself an
ethnic Chinese (Hwa-Ren), or a Han-Ren, and when it comes
to citizenship, I call myself a Taiwanese.

2006-03-27 12:38 JPL

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear Chinese,

Yes, UN & USA did support the idea of ROT during that time.

If KMT accepted that offer, then ROT would be the member of the U.N.

Do you think China did dare to invade the member of U.N? It would be the situation like Iraq invaded Kuwait......

That is why I am so curious....

2006-03-27 12:23 Wow

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear Jade:

Thanks very much for your personal journal on this fascinating land. In the '60 and '70, Yugoslovia under Tito was a great place to vacation and retire because it was beautiful and low cost. Because of the bigotry, the land and the people was ruined.

And I do share with you the same concern regarding to the direction to disaster our beloved Taiwan is heading to. My ancestors came to China hundreds year ago. My husband's parents came to Taiwan after 1949. In today's Taiwan, the seperationists would call our children "Mixed" as demonstrated by one of the post.

When I lived in southern Taiwan, I witnessed the brutality of the seperationist. During a presidential election, one of the DPP members would threw a pig to air and let its brain smashed into mess. The fanatic crowd would chanted " Death to the Chinesse pigs".

Every year, the DPP president, Mr. Chen, would use the 228 as Milosevic used Kosvoo myth to their political advantage. It is getting worse as his incapability and corruption of his party getting worse.

Yes, we are Taiwanese and we are also Chinese. Yes, Chinese had a one hundred year humiliation. Just because your mother is poor, you should not denounce your mother.

Worse, the DPP is using all the tension to delay the progess and understanding.

It is sickening, I know. But only we stand up and express our opinion and our thougts forcefully, we can get rid of the bigotry and corrupted demon.

2006-03-27 08:55 chinese

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear WOW:

1971 was in the height of cold war and US was seeking to realign Chinese communists to balance Soviet Union and to pull out the Viet Nam mess. Do you think US would support ROT? Yes, George Bush was offering some temporary alternatives. This was the same Bush who stopped nuclear program in Taiwan when he was heading CIA.

Of course, nobody can predict the outcome of what did not happened, but we can be quite sure that if we did not commit ourselves in 1970 on the technology and economics, we would not be able to talk freely now. And there could be a great chance that we could become a Balkan in Asia.

2006-03-27 04:27 Chinese

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear Chinese,

I always wonder one thing:

If KMT accepted the offer from U.N to stay in U.N & change ROC to ROT(Republic of Taiwan)in 1971, Would China still dare to say anything like it will attack Taiwan?

I always wonder what would be the situation now if we changed the name to ROT in U.N during 1971......

2006-03-26 14:15 Wow

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

To Jake,

>By the way, do you prefer it to happen?
>Maybe it is not my business to tell you that it is really not
>polite to say 'mixed people in there...'.

Well, I am just trying to help you find the answer. Because you have a question like that on your first email.

Civil war........Well, we did almost get to that level after the President election in 2004......
Fortunately, the United States government announced that U.S will not be "involved into Taiwan election conflict", otherwise KMT people will probably started the civil war if U.S government didn't support A-Bian to get his second term.

2006-03-26 14:08 Wow

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

To Chinese,

Now I am not sure whether 消灭民主 is really a Chinese. But I
am pretty sure that you are a typical Chinese...

2006-03-25 14:34 JPL

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

看到這個部落格 我才知道米羅塞維奇這號人物 在google上用Slobodan Milosevic尋尋覓覓 ,左顧右盼, 真令人髮指 ,也真令人心有餘悸.

米羅塞維奇是一個聰明人 利用悲情事件激發族群對抗, 鞏固個人的權威.

米羅塞維奇有一個愛炒地皮 炒愛炒股票的皇帝娘, 有一對驕縱子女. 米羅塞維奇一家人把國防部的軍官當佣人. 皇帝娘把國家和財團的錢變成自家的錢.

米羅塞維奇死後 皇帝娘及子女都未奔喪

2006-03-25 14:32 研究生

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Dear JPL:

When she said: "冷眼看米羅塞維奇的生與死,我,既不遺憾、也不頌揚,倒是憂心起我自己的國家,覺得米羅塞維奇好像並沒死,他的靈魂正在各各角落閒蕩,尋找可吞噬的人。"

She means you.

2006-03-25 13:02 Chinese

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

去死吧,你這個共產黨教育下的白痴,12億多人口就那麼幾個人在決定權力及分配財富,有什麼資格在這裡宣揚什麼大漢沙文主義的?強漢?有多強?現在還不是世界的勞力工廠,發展的核子彈將來可能是用來打自己人保衛共產黨政權的。

2006-03-25 11:11 to the hell “犯我强汉者,虽远必诛”!!

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

I wouldn't say he is
a typical Chinese. On the other hand, I don't think this kind
of Chinese is a really rare example.

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本人是中国文人传统的现代继承者。我的看法当然能反映中国多数人,特别是知识阶层的心声。

提醒你们一句,如果你们自认为不是中国人或者华人的话,那很简单:

“犯我强汉者,虽远必诛”!!

2006-03-25 08:17 “犯我强汉者,虽远必诛”!!

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

我最看不惯一些所谓台湾人在思维和价值观上所表现出来几个特点。

第一,数典忘祖。主张万恶不赦的所谓台湾独立,所谓的“去中国化”。一个连自己的祖宗,连自己的民族身分都要像垃圾那样扔掉的人群,是该杀的、遭天遣的。

第二,把民族与民主对立起来,认为两者必须二选一。我认为,这样的人,要么坏了脑袋,连起码的常识也不知道,南韩、西德难度选择了民主就要把民族的统一事业抛弃了吗?!!要么就是别有用心的日本鼠民。

第三,台湾太小了,台湾人的视野太窄了,台湾的文明史太短了,因此培育出来的人怎么看都像一个个的低能儿。虽然,在一些方面,他们有些才能,但在更大的一些方面,例如历史国家观念的把握,例如对民主与专制的认识,对自由法治的认识,台湾人极度低能,低度呈现出岛民的根浅性,以及泱泱中国的边缘性。

例如,只要看一下那个谢长廷的言论,就知道这个所谓的杰出台湾人,其实是一个无知狭隘的愤青,一个典型把民族与民主对立起来的笨蛋。

2006-03-25 08:06 破解对民主的迷信,消灭分离主义者

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Jpl

How do you know he is a real Chinese? Or just another green trickery?

It happens all the time.

2006-03-25 08:02 Chinese

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

Have you guys seen what 消灭民主 said? I wouldn't say he is
a typical Chinese. On the other hand, I don't think this kind
of Chinese is a really rare example.

Think again. Do you really want Taiwan to be part of China?

2006-03-25 07:35 JPL

re: (32) 米羅塞維奇萬歲!

訪問University of Wisconsin 教授Tomislav Longinovic, 世界知名 Serbian 語言學學者

Do you have a sense of what other Serbs think of Milosevic and what is happening in Kosovo now?
The Kosovo myth was a part of the national imagination up until the mid-'90s or so, but after the Bosnian war there has been such a level of disillusionment and depression in Serbia that less and less people will be swayed to believe in any part of the Kosovo myth. It really is a question of those Serbs who live in Kosovo, which is such a tiny minority.
I have a mother and father and relatives living there [in Serbia] who are anti-Milosevic. I don't know a person who is for him when I go there. Everybody despises the man and they see the game that he is playing basically by signing all these agreements with the West after threats ... he is just buying himself another two or three years of time as ruler.
Then how does Milosevic stay in power?
Although he's a malignant person, he is incredibly cunning and smart as far as his own power is concerned. You cannot really call him a nationalist, because you always think that nationalists will care for the nation that they are part of. That's absolutely not the case with Milosevic. He just knows how to stay in power. He controls almost all media outlets and manipulates public opinion almost at will, in the style of old totalitarian dictators. The only way that rural Serbs have of finding out what goes on around them is through state-run radio and television. So, they keep voting for Milosevic and his party, since they represent themselves as defenders of Serbian national interests.
There were tremendous demonstrations in Belgrade during '96, and this was the first signal to me that if the West really wanted Milosevic out they would have supported these demonstrations in some material way, they would stand behind them. Instead there were statements of support but there was nothing concretely done. Now people have to devote considerable energy just to daily survival, finding food, finding a light bulb or something like that that was a normal thing in the past [Yugoslavia is under economic sanctions imposed during the Bosnian war], so they don't have any energy for political engagement, especially after the failure of the 1996 demonstrations.

2006-03-25 06:55 Spiegel
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